Updates on the Missing and Murdered US Scientists

**Discussion begins at 2:30**

A few weeks ago, we told you about the strange connection between missing and dead scientists in the United States.  The researchers all had ties to aerospace, nuclear science, and advanced technology.  Since that episode, the number has grown.  Some missing.  Some dead.  All connected, at least on the surface, to some of the most sensitive research in the United States.  Today we’re going to update you on the more recent connected cases, and give you overall updates on the investigations.

Transcript

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We're back.
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Colleen was off.
I was.
She was doing a little research for us, doing her own little PI investigation about the scientists.
Right.
What do you think about the scientists?
I'm even more concerned than I was the last time we talked about them.
Oh, okay. Well, we're gonna do some updates today, so I can't wait to hear if Colleen has some new insights.
This is some new news, like, this is new news. This is some hot goss, hot news, fresh off the press updates, right, Megan?
That's right. Yeah. Well, first of all, we love hot gas.
Before we get into the updates, though, okay, is it time for our drink check?
What are we drinking today, guys?
Well, you know, every now and then, we do a morning record. Yep. And that's what we're doing today.
We're doing a morning record. We got a little bagels.
I like a morning record.
Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes it works out.
So we got some bagels from Call Your Mother. And Call Your Mother has coffee. Yeah.
Yeah. And you know what? It's good.
It's actually decent coffee.
Call Your Mother coffee.
That's right. Yeah.
I think this has been our drink check before, but it's worth a repeat.
Yeah, it is worth a repeat. We also have some cracked open diet cokes because of course we do.
I mean, hell yeah.
It's a late morning.
Yeah.
I mean, Kait's already lived a whole life today.
Yeah.
It's like nighttime for her.
Yeah. It's midday at this point.
So why don't we just dive into this?
2:28
Scientist Disappearances
A few weeks ago, we told you about the strange connection between missing and dead scientists in the United States.
Yep.
The researchers all had ties to aerospace, nuclear science, and advanced technology. Since that episode, the number has grown to at least 11.
Oh my goodness.
With some reporting more connections.
Whoa.
Whoa. Some are missing, some are dead. All are connected, at least on the surface, to some of the most sensitive research in the United States.
Today, we're going to update you on the more recent connected cases and give you overall updates on the investigation.
This is terrifying.
The core group that you probably see on the news, on Reddit.
The general guy for sure.
Yeah. It's seven dead and six missing. Two of those are from Massachusetts, four from New Mexico, four from California, two from Alabama.
And just to refresh, there are different parts of government science, right?
Well, all kind of had to do with space and energy, right?
Correct.
Space and energy are the big connection. And yeah, mostly we talked about the NASA Jet Propulsion Lab, the Air Force Research Laboratory.
Right, Pat?
Yep, that's at right, Pat. The Los Alamos National Lab.
Yep, New Mexico.
In New Mexico. Yep. Let me just start off with our recap, okay?
Okay.
So again, if you didn't listen to episode one, we go a little more in depth into these individuals and what they were studying and how they died or disappeared.
But just to quickly recap, this all kind of started on February 27th, 2026 with the disappearance of retired General William McCasland, who was 68.
So General McCasland was an astronautical engineer who had UAP connections and commanded the AFRL at Wright-Patterson, as he pointed out, which oversaw research into aerospace system satellites and directed energy and AI.
He also worked at the Kirtland Air Force Base AFRL branch. He vanished from his home, leaving behind his vehicle and bike, as well as his phone, glasses, and watch.
So the theories were either he went hiking and got lost, which a lot of people thought was unlikely. But people like he left a smart watch behind, and usually he always took that hiking, so that was kind of weird.
There were theories that maybe he just like left to end it all because he was having these medical issues. What was of, I think, notable because we now have a couple of these, is that we assume he left with a gun.
He had a 38 caliber revolver and leather holster that were missing from his home, and he had reported recent fog. His wife said he was like a little bit anxious, a little bit depressed, having kind of some sleep issues, nothing really substantial.
And I think too, as I'm going to recap, the other thing I wanted to know, we talked last time about like, why aren't the family speaking out? Like, what do the families think? Do the families think?
We haven't really seen much from the family.
No.
So I got some updates for you on that. Now, this one we did talk about the general's wife.
I think we kind of talked about talked about in-depth because we said she herself has a PhD in astrophysics and was a NASA mission specialist, astronaut finalist. She's retired Air Force and she's a defense contractor. So is she in on something?
I don't know. But when she called 911, she said, I have some indication that he must have planned not to be found. And then a week after he went missing, she made that infamous Facebook post that we talked about.
She kind of dispelled the rumors. She said, it is true that when Neil was in the Air Force, he had access to some highly classified programs and information.
He retired from the Air Force almost 13 years ago and has had only very commonly held clearances since. It seems quite unlikely that he was taken to extract very dated secrets from him.
He does not have any special knowledge about the ET bodies and debris from the Roswell crash stored at Right Pat. Though at this point, with absolutely no sign of him, maybe the best hypothesis is that aliens beamed him up to the mothership.
However, no studies of the mothership hovering above the Sandia Mountains have been reported.
Jealous.
So we talked about that before. We thought it was kind of a weird thing to say, but she doesn't seem to believe this is related.
Weird thing to say, but maybe it was a hint.
Yeah. You think she was just saying... It's like a...
L-J-K? No, it's like when you make a propaganda video, but you have to dispel the propaganda.
Yeah.
And you just make signals and stuff.
Yeah.
She's hinting.
She's hinting at something.
She's thinking of code. Yeah.
And this is the one we said, actually, that up until kind of the updates I give you, this was really the only case that seemed to have widespread involvement from law enforcement.
We had FBI, the Air Force, the Sheriff's Department, the local police, all involved in his investigation, as opposed to the rest of these, we were like, why is there not a bigger law enforcement presence given who these people were?
So after the general went missing, people noted that his disappearance was eerily similar to Monica Reza, who had vanished while on a morning hike seven months prior. You guys remember Monica?
Yes, I remember Monica. She was with her friend.
Oh, yes.
Yeah. And he went, it was kind of like an Alpine divorce situation.
It was a weird.
Gosh, he went like a head of her, and when he came back, she had vanished, but it was like 100 feet. He didn't go far at all. So then he immediately alerted the emergency people.
And we don't think he killed her. It was like she disappeared.
Well, it's like his business is showing people, guiding people. So it's not a good look to like, if this is your job, to have missing customers, right?
And he has been very involved in the search, but yes, this was sort of just a weird mysterious disappearance on a hike.
And she worked for the NASA Jet Propulsion Lab, but had previously been a material scientist at Aerojet where her research was funded and approved by the retired general. So the theories with her were like, again, did someone take her out?
Did someone kidnap her or kill her? Again, it was odd because the hiking partner was so close and didn't hear her yell or anything suspicious. And we think if she'd fallen or if something happened, you would have heard something.
Did she just miss her turn on her hike and wander off the trail? People think she could have been attacked by a mountain lion. So those are some theories circulating.
And at the time of this recording, I have not been able to find any statements made by any family for her. So no one has come out to weigh in who knows her.
That's crazy.
This is suspicious or not. And then with this case, people started to notice that just over a week prior to the general's disappearance, another scientist had been murdered, Carl Grillmeyer.
He was a 68-year-old research scientist at the California Institute of Technology, which was affiliated with JPL. This is the guy who studied exoplanets, galactic structure and dark matter.
Oh, he got shot.
Yep.
Somebody was walking by trying to go get gaffs or something.
The post office.
The post office, yeah.
In like December, there was a guy in his property with a gun. Yes. And the guy got arrested, but policed, came back and shot Carl on his front porch of his very remote home, and he was arrested.
So theories here were that Freddie Snider, that 29-year-old, he'd also carjacked a vehicle from his mom after the shooting. And so people were like, is he just into robbery? Was this all just...
But we thought it was weird because why did he come back to the scene of that first crime? Right.
It's very odd.
Yeah, and like they're in the middle of nowhere. Investigators have not found a connection between Freddie Snider and Carl Grillmeyer. They've not released a clear motive.
I did, again, I could not find any statement from his wife, but LA Magazine did do an article that said that the wife had dismissed any connection between her husband's murder and the other scientists.
So, so far we have two missing scientists and one dead, and two-thirds of their families are like, nothing to see here, okay. So that was kind of the first cluster of cases.
At this point, we were almost two months away from the tragic murder of MIT plasma physicist Nuno Larrero. Right.
And he got shot at his front door.
That's right. He was shot in the entrance of his home by Claudio Manuel Neves Valente, who was the Brown University shooter.
Who was just a jealous little.
Exactly. He was even his former classmate. That was the connection and he kind of resented his academic success.
No comment from his family. We're obviously going through a lot with that loss. Right.
Again, this is just sort of how this is evolving, is that these armchair detectives are like looking back at previous cases and they're trying to link others.
It was discovered that two employees, one current and one former at the Los Alamos National Lab, had also recently disappeared from their homes in Albuquerque.
So one I have kind of the most updates on, Melissa Cassius was 53, and she was the administrative assistant with the security clearance.
And she, remember, she dropped her husband at the research facility, which focuses on national security science and advanced technology, and works closely with the AFRL to collaborate on projects and share facilities.
So she dropped her husband off and then went home, saw her daughter, and then disappeared from her home on foot on June 26, 2025.
Leaving the house door locked, her vehicle parked outside, her wallets, keys, and personal and work cells remained in the home, with both cell phones having been factory reset.
And somebody thought that, like, maybe she had been picked up because she was, like, walking down the highway.
Yeah, it sounds like that's mostly been disproven. But that was a theory, yeah. So I just came forward and said I saw her, and I think she might have gotten in a car.
Unlike the general, who, like, no one actually saw him leave, and everyone just assumes he left on foot, like, there's actual security footage of her three miles from her home on the security camera.
Was she carrying anything?
Well, she had a backpack, and her daughter believes her mother may have taken a toothbrush, hair iron, and other personal items. And I sort of touched on, but I have some updates here, her husband and daughter, their family is kind of divided.
Her husband and daughter thought that she left due to emotional issues of her own free will, but her extended family disagrees and claims that she and her daughter were really close, she would have never left her daughter.
So we didn't talk about this too much, but it seems like she was under some financial stress, and it's entirely possible that this was a mental health crisis.
She also could have been fleeing from something she did to try to get by, maybe like, maybe she was trying to sell secrets or something, maybe, I don't know.
This Redditor, Cornelove, shout out, Cornelove, he said, you know, I went to the court website for Tows and searched her, and she has a record. So I went on and I confirmed this, they are correct.
The user said that she had been sued a few times solo and with her husband as co-defendant for defaulting on bills and breach of contract.
There was a lawsuit where she's plaintiff that was filed against two individuals with the same last name that was supposed to go to bench trial on February 19th, but a judge dismissed the case the day the trial was going to start, and her daughter
was also named as co-plaintiff. So the thought here is if she was in some financial straits, she obviously had some financial issues, I thought you couldn't have a security clearance if you're in debt.
So maybe she was going to lose her security clearance, maybe he had been up to no good. Right. I don't know.
She bottles things up. So apparently the family said she was in a car accident and there was supposed to be a settlement. But some other person involved in that deal wanted money too, so they pushed it along.
She was planning on that to happen. All that fell through. So they thought money was coming in, and then it just wasn't.
It didn't. Yeah. But again, her kind of more extended family disagrees as what's happened, but they also don't think that she's related.
Like her niece said, Melissa was an administrative assistant and did not have high-level clearance. I'm happy to see Melissa's case getting attention, but I haven't seen any evidence linking her to any of the other cases.
Oh, and the family had hired a PA., a PI. A PI. A PI that did find a pair of shoes matching the descriptions of the ones she was last seen wearing in the video of her dropping off lunch for her daughter right before she disappeared.
They were discovered in the Carson National Forest, and they are pending DNA analysis to see if they were her shoes.
Oh, that disappeared in the woods.
Yep. Then we had Anthony Chavez. He was 79.
He was a former employee of Los Alamos National Lab, and he had retired in 2017. And again, I told you, no one can really figure out what this guy did at the lab.
And other researchers have reached out to LNL asking for employment information, and they have not responded. So we still don't know what he did, but this is another guy who wandered away from his New Mexico home on May 5th.
It's so weird that they're just wandering off.
They're wandering, yes.
This is the guy who lives by himself. He doesn't have a cell phone, and no one heard from him on his landline.
Oh, yeah.
And he's kind of old, right? Seventy-nine, yeah. And they said he is an outdoorsy guy, but there was terrible weather when this guy went missing.
And so everyone was like, this guy did not go for a hike in a downpour.
Where are they all wandering to? They're all disappearing with no trace. I'm telling you.
Here come the men in black.
His locked car was in the driveway, and he had left his wallet keys and personal items in the home.
So again, theories are that he either went for a walk and got lost, but I don't really believe that. His friend posted on Facebook, he is active and intellectually engaged.
It is very much out of character or circumstance for him to be out of touch with his family or friends for more than a day. He is my best friend and we were in contact regularly. His car was locked and parked in his driveway.
His wallet, car keys and personal items were in his home. So it appears that he left his home with the intention of not being gone for more than a few minutes.
He did hike in Pueblo Canyon often, it does not appear that he left home prepared for a hike. Plus the weather was very inclement, he does not carry a cell.
How old's that guy?
79. Oh, okay.
That's really cute that they're best friends.
My best friend.
I ship him.
I think this is all weird. All these like disappearances, these people walking away, this is weird.
And it sounds like they weren't having any symptoms of problems before.
Not that we know, but there's also just like such limited information on all these people online. So I feel like up until this point, I'm like, okay, this is weird.
And then I just feel like we start to stretch, we start to reach, the people are reaching.
Well, so then we had Jason Thomas, who was the 45-year-old assistant director of chemical biology at Novartis, the eighth largest pharmaceutical company in the world. And he studied cancer treatments.
So we've mentioned before, this science is not even the same science as everyone else.
And he's the youngest, right?
He is the youngest. Well, he's not anymore the youngest. But he was the youngest of the ones we discussed.
And so he left his home on foot on December 12th, 2025, leaving his phone, wallet and smartwatch behind. And this is a guy who went for a midnight walk, which we thought was weird.
I did see this, his wife said he did like to go look at the stars when he was stressed. But maybe this is something he had done in the past.
Maybe he was doing this, telling her he was going on walks, but really he was like having meetings or something. You know what I mean? And left all tracking devices at home.
But did he do that every time?
Who knows?
You think he was going to meet someone? And he said, I got it. That's why they all have to leave their watches behind, so no one can know where they're going.
Maybe.
His body was discovered in a nearby lake on March 17th, 2026, and officially no foul play is suspected, but cause of death is unclear.
But he was thrown in the water.
He had been, I don't know, like was there a guttural?
Also, if you're going to kill yourself, are you just going to walk into a cold body of water?
Yeah, that's kind of weird.
That's weird.
Yeah, he was thrown in.
I mean, we're making a lot of assumptions, but yeah.
We love to assume.
Yeah, he had been struggling with the loss of both his parents on the same day, which is weird because there's another story like this where someone's parents died on the same day, and it's weird. That's an update.
Oh, but this guy remembers the one who's like wife or mom. And then an hour later, dad died of a heart attack, syndrome, Takasubo. Adam, you want to know what was Takasubo?
He could have had an MI.
But you know what? Yeah. We like to pontificate.
Pontificate, yeah.
That's a good word.
Jason Thomas, as far as like, what have the family has been saying?
His wife made comments when he was missing, that it was unlike him to leave her, and that he had been struggling with the loss of his parents, but I could not find any comments since the body was discovered last month, or anything about her thoughts
on an alleged connection between this and the others. Looking back through old online obituaries, it was discovered that Frank Maywald, 61, a senior scientist at the Jet Propulsion Lab, who built instruments to detect life on other planets, had died
on July 4th, 2024. As far as we know, there is nothing even suspicious about his death. All we know is that there was no autopsy performed, and nobody has been able to find an official cause of death.
But like, someone just found this obituary and linked him. The comments on this memorial website indicate the death was sudden and unexpected, but we have literally no information.
So I think Colleen said last time, he probably just had a heart attack. We really don't know.
We have no idea.
His family has not commented. And then the last one in our recap before I get into the newer cases and the updates was Michael Hicks. And this is the one I think last time I said, right before we recorded, it had just come out.
I was frantically researching. So people had looked through obituaries and found that Michael David Hicks, a 59 year old researcher with a PhD in lunar and planetary science, had worked at the JPL from 1998 to 2022.
He passed away on July 30th, 2023 at the age of 59, but the cause of death was never made public and no record of an autopsy being performed could be found.
Like Frank Maywald, his online memorial did not mention any health issues, but it is unclear if he was, like to me, it's unclear if he was working between 2022 and 2023, because like maybe this guy had health issues, stopped working in 2022, and a
Yeah.
His obituary requested donations be made to Alcoholics Anonymous, which I think that might have been.
Maybe either-
Liver failure.
He could have been in recovery. He could have just been close to people, or maybe he suffered from alcoholism as well, and that contributed to his health issues.
So again, I'm like, it's entirely possible that he quit his job and was just having medical health issues. I don't know that there was anything. We have no proof-proof that there was anything-
Suspicion. That are happening here.
LA Magazine reviewed the death certificate, and the Los Angeles Medical Examiner's Office listed his cause of death as arteriosclerotic cardiovascular disease with other significant conditions listed as morbid obesity.
His daughter has come out and made a statement.
Oh.
She said that he had been struggling with no medical issues, and she said, from what I know of my dad, there's no train of logic to follow that would implicate him in this potential federal investigation.
I don't understand the connection between my dad's death and the other missing scientists. I can't help but laugh about it, but at the same time, it's getting serious.
Oh.
I also think these last two, Frank Maywald and Michael David Hicks. This was like 2023 for Michael Hicks and then 2024 for Frank Maywald. The rest of our cluster are all like 2025, 2026 within a year of each other.
So I just feel like now someone's gone like years back. We're just looking at obituaries. We have no proof of like the events surrounding death, and maybe there's kind of some reach happening.
So that was all of the scientists that we knew about at the end of Episode 1.
Here's my thing. Either there is something suspicious, and they're all being taken out for a reason. Another thought is they're all having health or mental health crises, and it's like, is that correlated with the stress of their job?
Like, is this not something suspicious? Is this just shitty work life environments that have built up over time? And then should that be addressed?
Yeah.
I think that's a great point.
22:09
Recent Developments
The next one that came out, I think right after our episode released, Stephen Garcia was linked. He was a property custodian for the Kansas City National Security Campus in Albuquerque.
The facility manufactures more than 80 percent of all the non-nuclear components used to build the military's nuclear weapons. And so he was responsible for like hundreds of millions of dollars in equipment.
Again, this facility works closely with the AFRL and the LANL. So these could all be connected as far as just like the labs they're working on and what they're working on.
There's not a lot of information about his disappearance though, but this guy is another disappearance.
He just walked away.
Walked away. We do have him on video, I'll tell you about that. He also walked away with a gun, which is weird again.
That is so weird.
Do we think they're doing mind control?
Oh.
Like MKUltra stuff?
You guys said before you thought that they were like assemble.
Yeah.
They were just- Yeah.
Right. That's what I'm saying.
They're like, they pushed a button, and now they're all just leaving their houses like robots. Like Hocus Pocus and all the zombie kids just walking to them.
Yeah. They all get a phone call, and they say, Red Bucket.
Are they all walking in the same direction?
Yeah. Is this like Eels?
The Eels. Yeah. That's kind of where-
Are they all going north? Like, do we even know that? Like, did you find anything in the research?
I'm going to be honest that when I researched, I did not ask myself, did all of the people walk in the same direction?
I did not ask that question.
Are they all headed to like the center of the country? You know what I mean?
Like- Are they all headed towards Russia?
Area 51. Like, are they all headed towards Nevada?
Yeah. They're going to the mothership to procreate.
I mean, again, four of these are clustered together very closely in Albuquerque.
This is- That is so weird.
On August 28th, 2025, he vanished. And I cannot figure out, like, who reported him missing? How was, like, you know, did he call?
Did someone call? Did someone, like, did days go by and they didn't hear from him? I have no idea.
But he vanished on August 28th. He was spotted on surveillance cameras walking out of his home in a green camouflage shirt and shorts just after 9 a.m. with a bottle of water in his hands.
He left behind his keys, car, wallet, and phone. The Albuquerque State Police Missing Purse Report says that he had a handgun and that he may be a danger to himself. But here's my question.
Here's the picture. Okay, here's my question. I was like, he left with a handgun.
I don't know how anyone knows he left with a handgun.
Is there family? There's no family?
I can't find anything about him.
It has to be like tucked up under his arm?
Yeah. So then I was like, or I was like-
It's like one, it kind of looks like a-
Shoulder holes holder.
Just like a bag?
A bag.
I was going to say lunchbox.
Because I guess part of me was like, okay, is he just carrying a- Does he have a permit to carry, and he just walks around with it on his hip? But if that's the gun, he's carrying it under his arm.
That's not something just walking around and happens to have it.
Yeah.
Also, these Albuquerque people leave in their house with guns. Are they shooting armadillos or something? I don't know.
Is that normal in New Mexico to just be walking around with a gun?
That might be a common thing.
To leave your house and be like, I'm going for a walk. He looks like he's got a bottle of water, and he's got his tennis shoes on.
Let's say he has the license to carry or whatever. He's left his wallet, so he doesn't have any proof that he can't.
You're right. Yeah.
It's just weird too, that you'd be going somewhere with a gun and not a cell phone or a wallet. But I guess I'm just trying to understand why he did. Did he grab his gun and he's going to kill himself?
Did he grab his gun? Was it just a coincidence he happened to have it? I can't figure out after his disappearance, the lab conducted an internal review of his work computers, emails, and files and found nothing of concern.
And then that's it. I can't find anything else on this.
He has no family.
Well, he might have family, but no one has made a comment. Again, I can't answer any of those questions I said, which also I'm like, that's kind of suspicious. Why is there really just nothing out there?
There was one source who told the Daily Mail, so tabloid. Right. This anonymous source who said they were close to him said he would not have killed himself.
He was a very stable person. Well, you never know. And they thought he was the target of foreign spies.
Oh.
But that's not an official statement from his family.
I think that's just like some anonymous source to a tabloid.
I think it's really weird.
I think it's weird. I think, again, I mean, I know I said it jokingly, but it does feel sort of like...
Assemble.
Assemble, where like they've been brainwashed to, like on this day, at this almost like...
You know, like those like hypnotic things that they're like, you go into a trance and they're like, on this day, at this time, you're going to put away all of your electronics, grab your gun and walk east or whatever. That's just weird.
Like RFK's assassin?
Yeah.
Allegedly?
Allegedly.
So Amy Eskridge is a 34-year-old researcher into anti-gravity technology and extraterrestrial life.
Ooh.
Who worked closely with her father, a former NASA employee. She founded the Institute of Exotic Science to create a public-facing persona to disclose anti-gravity technology.
Anti-gravity technology. What does that mean?
Meaning they could create a way to just overrule gravity. So like, if the one person created a device, like you turn it on and this bowling ball is gonna float because it no longer has gravity.
That's crazy.
People consider it a pseudo-science, but... So she died June 11th, 2022, of a self-inflicted gunshot when we got her home in Huntsville, Alabama.
She was added to the list because in 2020, she expressed fear for her life and the de-frantically published before anyone silenced her.
Whoa.
So here's the deal with Amy.
She didn't do it herself.
Well, she's pretty divisive because the thoughts are, and I'll give you more information here, either she was mentally ill and paranoid.
How old was she?
34.
Ooh, see, that's a little too old for schizophrenia.
Yeah, that's a little too old for this kind of breakdown.
She was. So either she was paranoid or crazy things were happening to her. And so that's, it's just people are very divided.
I'm like, she was just losing her mind and whatever.
No, I think she wasn't.
So she had hired a retired British intelligence officer, Frank Mulburn, to investigate the threats she had been receiving. He shared messages after her death that Amy had sent him a month before her death.
And one of them said on May 13th, 2022, if you see any report that I killed myself, I most definitely did not.
Oh my God.
If you see any report that I overdosed, I most definitely did not. Whoa. If you see any report that I murdered someone, I most definitely did not.
And then her partner released his messages from her, and hours before she died, she wrote, FYI, I've been getting death threats every day repeatedly for the past week or so for my most recent work.
Like I finally crossed some line with my own independently developed theory and it got surveilled. It tipped me over onto some fucked up kill list.
I left myself a voice note on my hacked phone about some super heady shit that I figured out, and then the daily death threats immediately started rolling in on a daily basis. The past week has been absolutely horrible.
I don't even know how to explain it. The most heinous death threats you can imagine. I've been telling the people closest to me the past few days, I absolutely did not kill myself no matter what you hear.
I have told so many people over the past week that it's simply impossible to take them all out. So-
Oh my god, she did not kill herself.
Well, where's the evidence of these threats?
She sent pictures of injuries and reported physical and psychological attacks from a directed energy weapon, which is what we talked about in our Havana syndrome episode.
Oh.
She had weird burns on her hand. And she has a picture of her window that's like, this is where someone stood and used this weapon on me.
And so she was accusing before she died that people were trying to silence her and that she was being victimized with these weapons. So she died in 2022.
British intelligence officer, Frank Milburn, he presented to Congress in 2023 his reports of her being threatened. Amid allegations that a private aerospace company murdered her for her involvement in the UAP discussions.
But her father has spoken out. He was the co-founder of her institute. He told the press that he does not think there's anything suspicious about her death.
He said she was a marvelously intelligent person who suffered from chronic pain. People should realize that scientists die also and not make too much of it. So again, I'm kind of torn with her.
Like she's not on the same level as other scientists. Apparently, she was very, very smart. But she wasn't like a PhD researcher at NASA or whatever.
And again, this is kind of considered fringe science. So a lot of people think this anti-gravity is like not anything that can ever be. It goes against everything we ever learn about physics.
So she was into finding a way to target and eliminate gravity. Either way, again, she's either paranoid, delusional, leading up to her death, or she really was facing an onslaught of threats or maybe both.
And I do, this is not the only person I'm gonna tell you about who said, if I die, it wasn't suicide. That's weird.
That's very- That's weird. But also, where's the proof proof?
Like her, like who, she said, I keep getting death threats. You would think that it would be like, text message, email, if they're verbal. I don't, or I'm just like, auditory hallucinations due to chronic oxycodone use.
Oh, she also kept doing all this press like, I just have to publish immediately and get this out before anyone offs me.
And I'm like, why don't you?
You publish it?
No, then she was like, I have to talk to NASA first before I can publish it.
But I feel like also, if I was like, I have this important information the whole world needs to know, and someone's gonna kill me to cover it up, I would be just telling everyone who would listen.
Publish it.
Why are you looking at that? Not even publish it. Like go on TV.
Right. And like share. Put on your Instagram.
Yeah, just like, I would just be blasted everywhere. I'd be on YouTube, I'd be on TV shows. I'd be-
Going live on TikTok.
Yes, and I'd be like, so now the information's out there.
So, you know, killing me is not gonna cover it up.
Right.
So those are kind of like the 11 people that as of this recording are kind of linked. When we last talked about this again, right, we were like, why isn't anyone investigating these that's linked up?
Since then, you know, the White House is, quote, actively working with all relevant agencies in the FBI to holistically review all of the cases together and identify any potential commonalities that may exist.
The FBI now says it is spearheading the effort to look for connections into the missing and to see scientists.
Says it's working with the Department of Energy, Department of War, and with our state and local law enforcement partners to find answers with Cash Patel saying, we're going to look for connections on whether there are connections to classified
access, access to classified information, and or foreign actors. If there's any connections that lead to nefarious conduct or conspiracy, this FBI will make the appropriate arrest. DOD and DOE have not made any comments.
NASA's tweeted that nothing related to NASA indicates a national security threat and that is coordinating cooperating with relevant agencies.
And the House Oversight Committee said that the reports raised questions about a possible sinister connection between the deaths and disappearances, and they are seeking briefings from the FBI and the DOD, the DOE and NASA.
So since we last recorded, someone is looking at this. I'm not really convinced that they're all connected, but I think it is worth somebody just ruling out a connection.
I think, I don't know if they're all connected, but for me, it feels like all the people that just got walked away, they're connected in some way.
But everyone else is just sort of, that girl Amy that you just talked about, I feel like she has mental illness. Yeah. She seemed like unstable.
Our listeners would say, who are we to make that assessment?
We cannot make that assessment based on a couple of YouTube videos. But yeah, we're just speculating that mental health could explain some paranoia and suicide. Where the House Oversight Committee, like I said, has been very vocal.
These representatives have been out, I don't know if you've seen this on the news, speaking about this. And they had really been rallying for this to get looked at. Right.
They dropped two other names that they think should also be looked into in addition to those 11 cases. So the first is Matthew Sullivan, who is a local. He's a Falls Church, Virginia guy.
Oh, what?
He's a 39-year-old former Air Force intelligence officer and deputy director of the National Air and Space Intelligence Agency.
He was supposed to testify before Congress on UAPs. But before he got the chance, on May 12th, 2024, he unexpectedly died. It was ruled a suicide, and we have no other information about that.
His family's not spoken out. But the committee is like, this is weird that this guy was supposed to come testify and die before he got a chance to testify. But I have no other details to say.
Again, this guy's a veteran. Did he have PTSD? Did he have other issues going on?
I don't really know anything else about the events surrounding his death or his death at all. So, I don't know, but they have called for it to be investigated because he died before he could testify.
This second one they want looked into, which I think has sort of been debunked by researchers at this point, but Dr. Ning Li, this is a big one people talk about on Reddit as well.
So she immigrated from China in the 80s, and she worked at the University of Alabama in Huntsville's Center for Space Plasma and Aeronomic Research. She was working on antigravity research, the same thing as Amy.
She claimed that she had created a prototype that would combat gravity, and she founded her own company, AC Gravity, which was awarded nearly half a million dollar grant from the Department of Defense in 2001.
But the results from that grant were never published, and she never published any other work after 2002.
So in 2008, this physicist named Jack Serfati gave an interview and he said, This is very important from a national security and political point of view. One of the key scientists is a Chinese woman named Ning Li.
She has disappeared and gone back to China. She was working at NASA and the Redstone Arsenal, but she had disappeared for several years now. The people at the Pentagon cannot reach her anymore.
She's allegedly back in China and the Chinese are pouring money into similar experiments now. That's why our intelligence guys are very interested. Most likely people to develop the first anti-gravity propulsion technology are the Chinese.
So this story is circling that this doctor, who had made allegedly this progress in anti-gravity research gets all this money from the DOD and then just vanishes, and that they're theorized that she went back to China, she's sharing all this intel
Well, that's crazy.
She's like a Chinese spy.
That's what everyone's alleging.
Okay.
There was nothing until a 2021 obituary reported that Dr.
Ning Li was one of the world's leading scientists in superconductivity antigravity had died at the age of 79. So a reporter for the Huntsville Business Journal tracked down her son and he said, that whole thing that physicist said, not true.
She never went back to China. She lived here and continued her research for the Department of Defense.
He said, when she was at the university, she loved to publish her findings, but after she got her top secret clearance, she wasn't allowed to share anything anymore with anyone. She became much quieter.
She returned from work looking worn down with her makeup messed up. It wasn't like that when she was at the university. I said, Mom, do you need to tell me something?
She told me, first off, you don't know anything. Second off, if you even think you might know something, you forget about it.
Whoa.
In 2014, she was struck by a vehicle while crossing a street on the UH campus. The accident caused permanent brain damage and led to an Alzheimer's diagnosis shortly afterward. She never returned to work.
Her husband of 46 years witnessed the accident and suffered a heart attack at the moment of impact.
Oh my God. What?
So he passed away and her son took care of her for the next six years before he died. So he claims like this whole thing is crazy. She did not go to China.
She spent here the whole time. She wasn't publishing because she was doing DOD work and it wasn't publishable.
Yeah.
I have questions about this car that hit her.
Right.
Yeah, it sounds like a purposeful hit. Was someone trying to take her out?
Sounds like China.
He did say that at one point, the Chinese did come to her and say, we want you to come back. And she said, no, there's that.
And then there's a couple of, like, I would say not scientists and researchers who are proponents of the disclosure movement, who have also died.
So breaking news yesterday, David Wilcock, he's a paranormal content creator and author, who's been very vocal in the disclosure movement. At 10:44 a.m. on April 20th, police in Colorado received a 911 call.
The dispatcher reported that she thought the individual was in the midst of a mental health crisis, and when deputies arrived, he was outside his home holding a weapon, which he then used on himself.
Oh no.
So this feels like a straightforward suicide because, like, this was witnessed by police.
The Redditors think either the death wasn't witnessed and the police are lying, that the police killed him for some reason, or that something pushed him to suicide, or that he faked his own death. Whoa.
He had posted on Twitter the day before that he had intense things going on. He'd been struggling with a divorce. He was the target of cyberbullying.
A few years ago, he had tweeted that he was not suicidal and planned on living. So again, why are all these people saying, if it happens, I didn't kill myself?
Right.
Although it has been a few years, so things can change. And then people noted that this guy was on Agent Aliens on the History Channel a lot.
Oh.
And that other people on that show have all died. But when I looked into it, it wasn't very mysterious. Like Nick Pope, a former UK Ministry Defense Employee, he was 60.
He died April 2026 of like esophageal cancer stage four. So that's not a mystery. Eric Von Daniken was a freaking contributor.
He died January 2026, but I looked him up, he's 90. Though I didn't see like another pattern, but people are starting to talk about this David Wilcock guy and how weird this is and is someone trying to silence him.
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Unexplained Theories
Let me give you the potential theories. Theory one, these are not connected. That like this is a normal amount of death and disappearance for a population this large over this period of time.
Okay, which is true. The numbers are okay. That's theory one.
Theory two is that the scientists were all working on UFOs, anti-gravity or extraterrestrial tech and were silenced. Because remember Trump came out and said, I'm going to declassify all this information. And then like the general disappeared.
And then this would explain these people who were like, I'm going to be silenced, Amy being like, I'm going to be silenced. This is all just like, we're trying to cover up the release of information.
That there's secret technology that we're working on. That again, we're trying to silence scientists or cover up accidents. There is this weird guy, Phil Schneider, was a whistleblower who died in 1996.
This is an old case. But he sounds also like he experienced something or he's crazy. He was a self-taught geologist.
He said that the US had 129 deep underground facilities and claimed to have worked on 13.
He said that the government collaborates with gray aliens, and that there had been this violent confrontation that he was present for between aliens and humans in 1979 at the Dolce base in New Mexico. And he warned about the New World Order.
But we're not supposed to talk about that because a reviewer said we sounded like idiots.
Oh, you mean our listeners don't want to hear about human reptoids, reptilians, running the government?
There was no proof of any of this. He never provided evidence, but before his death, he said that the aliens were planning to reduce the world population by one-third and they were going to start initiating their plan in 2029.
I'm like, wait, was he right? And that's why all these other scientists are getting off because we're approaching implementation of this plan to cull our population.
You know what's interesting about that, Megan, is that our population is decreasing. But is that the plan?
Yeah, I don't know.
Is it all connected? And what are they making life cost of living too much to have kids on purpose to decrease our population?
Well, here's what makes it weird. This guy was found dead of suicide. Oh.
He was strangled with a catheter tube. What?
Where did he get that?
He, well, he capped himself, and he used a tube to strangle himself, allegedly. But people point out that in the 60s, he had been hospitalized in a psychiatric hospital for schizophrenia, so that doesn't bode well for his story.
But that under stress, he had mutilated himself, causing him to self-amputate two fingers and a thumb. Oh, my gosh. So he said he did not have the dexterity, or like he didn't have the fingers or the dexterity to strangle himself.
And he had also said, if I ever commit suicide, I will have been murdered. The family claimed there were documents missing from the house. So that was like a suspicious 90s disappearance.
So anyway, this kind of just rolls into the theory that people are like, is that what's happening now? Is the government trying to silence people?
Are there corporations or contractors who are eliminating competitors in high stakes tech races like energy, biotech or aerospace? Because we're talking about trillions of dollars at stake here. So is it like private sectors taking out people?
Is this all about free energy?
Oh, well, I don't know.
Or did the scientists discover something big, like an asteroid threat or impending global catastrophe in maybe 2029, Colleen? Maybe an ET threat, and we're silenced from panic?
It's coming.
Or did the aliens do it to prevent humans from advancing certain technologies? So those are the theories that are out there. What do you guys think?
I think it's aliens.
Really, are you just trying to be...
Well, it's something weird.
I think it's either aliens.
I don't think you gave this, I've already said, some sort of mind control situation where I don't know if it's like an experiment to say like, when this happens on this date, you need to put down all your phones, grab your weapon, and go east or
Well, so who do you think is doing that?
You think the government is doing that? Do you think it's another government doing that? The aliens doing that?
That's so many good questions.
I think it would be either another government or aliens.
My thing is some of it are very suspicious, and some of it you're reaching. Yeah. You know what I mean?
I found a bituary that said somebody who worked at NASA one time died five years ago, and now I've just linked that.
That feels like a reach.
But some of it is very weird.
Yeah. Most of them, even if he just focused on these people who walked away.
The walking away is...
That's weird. Yeah.
The walking away is highly suspicious.
And again, why did a couple of them leave with the gun?
They left their cell phones. They left every sort of...
They could track them, watches their phones.
Right. I'm going to be interested to hear what else comes out.
I want to know if they're going to... I know they're kind of full blown investigating this, but how deep is it going to go?
Are they going to give it the time it needs?
Yeah. Well, also, is it just like... Well, I guess it's all a distraction.
The thing is, it's just like, when you believe the conspiracy theories, it just like...
Continues to snowball.
So yeah. Are they just like, yeah, we're looking, they're there.
Right.
Fine.
Yeah.
But just for the listeners, we are aware that it's sad. These people are losing their lives.
No, this is... And then I'm like, why aren't they filming this comedy? But also I can understand, these families are mourning.
I get that too. But I do think that like the lady who's like, my dad had health issues and had a heart attack. And why are you linking this?
That's like what I'd probably be saying, be speaking up. Like, I'm like this guy, the one guy who died in the 4th of July, Abel, I'm like, someone could just be like, you know what I would do? Guys, he had cancer.
And like, that'd be the end of it.
You know what I would do if I was only, I would be messing with the Conspiracists.
I'd be feeding into it just to make some funniness out of it all. Like, yeah, my dad died horrifically. It's really sad, but he would want me to make people go crazy thinking about it.
Or like, most people don't think like you do about how they mentioned their death, right?
No.
Colleen, her mystery.
Or like, yeah, Anthony Chavez, who had all these friends and family. Like, we don't even know what he did. LA&L won't say what he did there.
But someone can't come out and be like, yeah, my dad was a scientist. Here are my thoughts on whether or not he's connected.
I thought he didn't have kids. The one that lived by himself.
No, but he's got friends and family. People without kids still have people who-
No, I know, I know, I know. You said daughter came out and was a scientist.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I thought he didn't have kids.
No, he doesn't have kids. I'm just saying, right, why isn't someone close to him? Come out and be like, he mowed the lawn.
Yeah, or no, he was studying.
Yeah, he parked the cars.
Yeah, or he was studying, you know, bio, like biophysics.
Yeah.
Something. And then, so I'm like, provide clarity there. So we have no answers there.
We're gonna let things happen, and we'll circle back on this maybe next month or something.
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