Rafael Pacheco Pérez: The Real Story of the Pilot Possessed by Aliens

**Discussion begins at 2:22**

On June 21, 1976, Rafael Pacheco Pérez, a student pilot at the Escuela de Aviación México, embarked on a solo training flight from Mexico City to Chimalhuacán.  Shortly after takeoff, he vanished from radar, and an hour later, reappeared over Acapulco—approximately three hours in the opposite direction of his intended destination.  The aircraft, designed for short flights, was low on fuel and not equipped for such a journey.  During communication with air traffic control, Pacheco's voice reportedly became altered, delivering a message from an entity claiming to be using him as a "microphone" to transmit a message.  The message conveyed that the beings were from the same universe, observing humanity, and warned of an impending global catastrophe if humanity did not change.  Upon landing, Pacheco appeared disoriented and was taken for a medical evaluation.  Despite being tested for intoxication, he was found to be in perfect health, with no drugs or alcohol in his system.  But what is the truth behind one of Mexico's most popular aviation mysteries?  Was the pilot truly possessed by extraterrestrial creatures trying to save humanity, and if so were they able to break the time space continuum?  Was he suffering from a Menty-B?  Was it all a hoax perpetrated by the pilot?  Or is this just another urban legend to debunk? 

Transcript

Hey, welcome back for...
Season three.
Season three.
Welcome back to the 3Scheme Queen podcast.
Yes, but it's not Trace Amigos, because Colleen is currently in Scotland. She'll be gone for two weeks, but I hope when she gets back, she's ready to brief us on the Loch Ness Monster.
Nessie, what a good girl that girl is. I feel like if I met Nessie, I would want to be friends with her. Do we think it's real?
I don't know.
I've seen how you react to a snake. I don't know that you would just be befriending.
I didn't get scared to the snake, did I? I just wanted him to leave the house. I was like, get the tongs.
But yeah, we enjoyed the last of the summer.
Ready to get back into it? Let's get in to our drink check. Given the Mexican location of our episode, I was going to have a margarita, but we've done that already.
Instead, we are having a Mexican madras. We got a little lime juice, a little OJ, a little cranberry juice, mix with tequila and pour it over ice. What do you think of this drink?
It's pretty good.
Yeah?
Yeah, it's like I'm holding on to the last dregs of summer.
Yeah, and you're right, it's pretty close to a...
Tequila sunrise.
Tequila sunrise, yeah.
Well, I mean, a madras is usually a vodka drink, but I think this is the Mexican spin with the tequila. It'd be a tequila sunrise if we did grenadine instead of cranberry. So here's the summary.
On June 21, 1976, Rafael Pacheco Pérez, a student pilot at Escuela de Aviación México, embarked on a solo training flight from Mexico City. The flight was supposed to be a short trip, less than 40 miles round trip.
But shortly after takeoff, he vanished from radar and an hour later, reappeared over Acapulco, approximately three hours away. The aircraft designed for short flights was low on fuel and not equipped for such a journey.
During communication with air traffic control, Pacheco's voice reportedly became altered, after delivering a message not of his own volition. An entity claimed to be using him as a microphone to transmit a message.
The message conveyed that the beings were from the same universe observing humanity and warned of an impending global catastrophe if humanity did not change. Upon landing, Pacheco appeared disoriented and was taken in for investigation.
Despite being tested for intoxication, he was found to be in perfect health, with no drugs or alcohol in his system. But what is the truth behind one of Mexico's most enigmatic aviation mysteries?
Was the pilot truly possessed by extraterrestrial creatures trying to save humanity? And if so, were they able to break the time-space continuum? Was he suffering from a menti bee?
Was it all a hoax perpetrated by the pilot? Or is this just another urban legend to debunk? Let's talk about it.
So what is your initial theory?
Immediately, it was possessed. Immediately, he was a vessel, okay?
For the extraterrestrials?
Yes, for the ETs.
I really can't wait to hear how you think he made it three hours in less than an hour.
I can't believe you would ask me this question, Megan. It's called a wormhole. He went into the wormhole.
He got possessed. Or maybe something happened where the universe is aligned and there was like a little slip in between the universes. He slipped in this extraterrestrial psalm and is like, You're from Earth.
I got to come with you. He kind of comes back with him, projects himself out, projects his voice, and then he slips right back through the crack. That's my idea.
We have to suspend belief a little bit, okay?
I know. Hold that. We have to have an open mind.
Yes. Hold that thought and we'll get into it. Back to the beginning of the story.
So Monday, June 21st, 1976, it is just after 8 a.m. on a cloudy day in Mexico City, and Rafael Pacheco Pérez, aka student number 82, he is on his first solo flight. The 23-year-old student had just 53 flight hours, but he had never flown by himself.
This was his first solo flight. He was reportedly a model student pilot, and again, the plan was to fly about 20 kilometers due east of the Mexico City airport and then return.
So Pacheco claims that at 8.35 he noticed that the clocks and compasses were spinning rapidly.
He was like, I realized that I was off course, so he tried to turn left to remain on his route, but the controls did not respond, and had actually locked themselves into the ascent position.
So he's ascending despite his best efforts, and he says he then entered a very dense cloud and lost all visibility, but he knew that he was in the mountains. He radioed the Mexico City Tower and made May Day calls, but no one responded.
He's like, I remember getting drowsy and falling asleep, and the last thing he remembers is ascending above 10,000 feet.
Okay.
When he returned to awareness, he was over the ocean at 7,000 feet. So what happened in this interim window? So meanwhile, air traffic controller at Acapulco noticed something on the radar, an echo doing maneuvers off the coast.
Now, Acapulco was well over 300 kilometers south of Mexico City. This is nowhere near his intended route. So at about 1030, 1030 AM, the small aircraft made contact with the Acapulco tower.
It is unclear from the sources who initiated this contact. Was it the air traffic controller, Oscar de Cretche, attempting to establish communication via radio to identify the plane? Or did the pilot reach out to air traffic control?
That's like the two different versions of the story. But either way, we know that the pilot came on the radio, and he had a very mechanical robotic voice.
The voice asked the air traffic controller to switch channels as he had a long message to convey. His communication lasted nearly an hour, and some, but not all of it, was recorded.
So Carlos de Cretche has been interviewed, and he says the conversation went like this. The pilot is flying in a hypnotic state. We are using his vocal cords to speak with you.
He is not aware. He is speaking, rather, he is being used by us so that we can speak with you. The air traffic controller asked where the craft was, and the voice responded, it is flying south over your airport, over the sea.
We are flying stationary over your airport at an altitude of about 85,000 feet.
Holy moly, that is very high.
Yeah.
30,000 feet is like cruising level, right?
Cessnas can't fly over 15,000 feet.
Oh my gosh.
Which is like what this was, a little Cessna. So he says, we're at 85,000 feet. And the air traffic controller looks out the window to see if he can see this aircraft.
And the voice says, no, no, no, don't look for us because you can't see us.
Creepy. That is so creepy. Wait, is there an actual recording of this?
There is.
It's all in Spanish.
Oh, damn it. Where is Colleen?
The voice said, he is only speaking because he is ordered to do so. This is his voice. He is speaking, but he does not do it by his will.
We are using him as if we were using a microphone. Their equipment is too primitive. This is the only way to convey this message.
So what was the message you might ask?
Yeah.
I'm so happy you asked. No matter who we are or where we come from, it is enough for you to know that we are beings of this universe where you belong. Our planet is many light years away, but we are physically equal.
I repeat that all races in the universe are physically equal. You are not alone in the universe, and there are other races that are far away from you, and we are watching you.
The air traffic controller said the voice made it clear that there are other civilizations like ours, but that we are inferior and on the cusp of a global catastrophe due to our self-destructive minds.
He claimed that he asked the voice to answer a question in German, and the voice answered in English indicating, so like this whole conversation took place in Spanish, but the air traffic controller spoke German, so he asked a question in German.
The voice responded in English, but...
Was it the correct response?
Allegedly, but we know that Rafael Pacheco Pérez did not speak German and spoke very minimal English. The voice claimed that they can learn human languages very quickly.
Oh, this is so creepy. Do we think this is AI?
Well, that's what everyone's like. Everyone's like, AI could do this, except this was 1976.
We had been to the moon, Megan. We could do anything.
I mean, I did do a lot of reading Spanish sources and having to translate them into English. But yeah, could a layman have done that 50 years ago?
No. Don't look for us. That is so creepy.
Then at 1129, the voice stated that it was handing the control back to the pilot so that he could land.
Then there was a radio transmission saying, Student 82 to any station that listens to me. The pilot claims that when he looked down, when he kind of came to, he looked and his left tank was completely empty and he had minimal fuel in the right tank.
He didn't know where he was and he was told to look for a place to land by Carlos de Cretche.
The guy in the air traffic controller. So when he came to, the guy was still talking to him, the air traffic controller was still talking to him. And then his voice completely changed.
Yes.
And he was all like, depressed.
This is crazy. I believe it.
So he saw a landing strip and he informed the air traffic controller that he was going to try to land. When he landed at the Acapulco Airport, he got off and he said, where am I? How did I land?
And there was an instructor there from his school who was instructing a different student.
Yeah.
And he said, well, if you don't know, and you were the one flying, we know even less.
Oh.
Like, if you don't know, yeah, where's, then how are we supposed to know?
Where's the dash cam?
Where's the black box?
Yeah. The dash cam. You know what I mean?
I have a daddard camera that videotapes things.
Where was his GoPro on his helmet?
Yeah.
So I wrote, why is this weird, as if this isn't all very weird already? But what makes this even weirder story is that...
Do we think he was hypoxic? I mean, if you're up at 75,000 feet.
That's always a theory when you're... There's no way he was at 75,000 feet.
Listen, the aliens told them not to look it up.
Is that two miles?
No. I don't... I don't think the moon is 75,000 feet straight up, Megan.
Four miles straight up. I can't.
That is 16 miles. That is high. That is about eight times higher than Colleen thought the moon was.
Wait, listen, straight up.
This again, he was always supposed to go 40 kilometers.
He traveled 300 kilometers. Now it said somewhere he looked down and he was like almost out of gas. But when he landed and the technicians looked at it, his tank was three quarters full.
What?
There is no way he could have made it 300 kilometers on only a quarter tank of fuel.
They said he should have run out of fuel before he even made it to Acapulco. Whoa.
So do you think they were refueling him in flight? Like those people that do?
Or did those people just pick him up with a magnet and move him?
Whoa.
Or he didn't have to use the oil.
Because he went through a wormhole. Yeah. He slipped in between the space-time continuum.
He teleported.
So this would have been, as I said, a three-hour flight. From the time he left to the time he was first detected and radioing over the ocean, was just over an hour. So he arrived on this three-hour flight in less than two hours.
Right.
So how did he do it that quick?
He had never flown alone. So he was not like an experienced pilot. He had no flight plan.
He couldn't reach Mach 8.
In his little Cessna?
Yeah.
I don't think so.
Well.
This guy was very novice, so he should not have had the ability to do this.
Right. Even without the fuel issue and the timing issue, he shouldn't have been able to make this. Right.
So he was sent back to Mexico City on a bus, and he never piloted a plane again.
How far is Acapulco from Mexican City?
What's 300 divided by 5?
60.
Times 3, like 180.
180 miles. That makes sense if it's 3 hours away.
So this pilot was allegedly interviewed multiple times by the US, and he said that he thought these were malevolent beings, and they ruined his life. He never piloted a plane again. He never got his pilot's license.
They ruined his aviation.
I don't know. They seem benevolent. They did not hurt him.
Yes, but he was like, but they ruined my life.
So they weren't just good people.
Yeah.
This is the story. Okay. And the air traffic controller says he was sworn to secrecy.
He could never tell this story.
Did he sign NDA?
It says he signed paperwork.
Okay. Yeah.
Okay. So that is the official story.
Okay.
So you are still on It Was Real.
Yes.
Okay.
I wanna hear the recording.
I will say one of the things that might kind of support your theory, if it's all real, is that this was not the first case like this in the area.
What?
This was kind of a hotspot for alien activity.
How close is Acapulco to, I don't know, the Bermuda Triangle?
I don't know, but I was thinking that when all the things went haywire.
Yeah.
It's like in a magnetic.
Right.
But Acapulco is on like the west coast.
Of Mexico?
Yeah.
Oh. Yeah, I didn't know that.
No. So one year prior to this, Carlos de Los Santos, an airline pilot, had an encounter en route to Mexico City.
Okay.
He claims he was flying under 10,000 feet when he saw a silver disc-shaped UFO over his left wing tip, then his right.
They were hovering centimeters over the wing when another UFO appeared in front of his window before diving down below and damaging his landing gear.
Oh my goodness.
Then he lost all control of his aircraft and was forced to climb to 14,000 feet before he called a mayday.
Oh my goodness.
He radioed, I am not flying my own craft. I'm apparently flying without control. The plane flies alone without my control.
I am not controlling the plane. I have three objects flying around me. The two UFOs escorted the plane for 18 minutes.
And the radar revealed echo, which showed three crafts were surrounding Carlos.
Whoa.
And this was confirmed by multiple air traffic controllers. The three crafts took off and then he regained control, but he had difficulty landing because his landing gear was jammed.
That's so scary.
He was like, I'm looking at these aircrafts. I don't know how they could have been flying. There is no airplane that we know of that could have performed the maneuvers that these were performing.
And then this guy said that he had a couple other visits by some identical Nordic looking men in black. And they said things to him like, if you appreciate your life, don't talk to anyone.
Whoa, that's so scary.
So Nordic people, like they were just like, they looked very Nordic.
Yeah.
How he described them.
Vikings.
Vikings, yes.
Vikings in black.
So, you know, there's that. It could really be an extraterrestrial. What does he have to gain by this story, right?
He says it ruined his life.
Yeah.
Okay. Was it a meant to be?
Could be.
That's what Colleen would be saying.
Colleen would be like, what was going on in his life prior to this?
Yes. Yep. We do know he was medically examined.
He had a clean bill of physical and mental health. There were no drugs or alcohol in his system. So take that with a grain of salt.
There are a lot of Redditors who said they thought this was a hoax. Maybe something illegal was happening. This was all a cover up.
Now his teacher had said, he's very serious, but we don't know him as a liar. I don't mean this is true or false. I'm totally skeptical.
But in the case of a boy like this and also take it into account, the conversation held in German and English, everything makes me think. As I mentioned, he did not speak German.
He spoke very minimal English, but this voice was able to understand German and speak English.
And respond in English appropriately.
As I mentioned, he did not have the skills to avoid radar detection.
Like one Redditor says, if a lookalike takes off, land somewhere, and then an hour later, you take off from a different place and land at that destination, supposedly doing a three-hour journey in one hour.
And this is all just like, he was cheating on a race. But like, why? What's the motivation?
Right.
There are also people who thought it was like part of a drug deal.
And I'm thinking, if this guy's trying to get into drug mulling.
Right. This is not the place.
Why would he? He's like a student. And he's, I mean, if like, get your license, and then you don't have people like watching you.
And you can do whatever nefarious thing you want to do.
Also, it's easier to do it on the open seas. So you might as well be a seaman, not a pilot. You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're right.
So I don't really believe that he was up to no good. Like, like that he was trying to break the law or trying to create some scam.
I don't believe the meant to be. And he's still, he still is like, this happened to me.
Yes. But actually, that brings me to my theory. Oh, is this all a made up story?
Oh, to detract from something else?
What was happening during this time?
Well, let me just talk, let me just talk about this, because I thought to myself, there is no way that Joe Rogan, Mr. Ballin would report the story as factual without any fact checking.
Right.
But I did a deep dive.
Of course you did.
Did a lot of fact checking.
This is the Virgo speaking.
There is no conclusive evidence. I also had Carrie, who would love to be our fact checker on this podcast.
Oh my gosh, please.
I gave her an assignment.
Yeah.
I said, go see if these people exist.
Yeah.
And Carrie couldn't find them, and she is a masterful Googler.
Wait, so these people don't even exist?
Let me tell you about it.
Do you think the aliens made them disappear? Do you think they're in the witness protection program?
So when you Google this-
Wait a second.
Well, conspiracy theorists would say, this is what they want us to think.
Yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Is this like the same like Mexican, Mexico City girl that was like talking about the-
Gabriella Riegel.
Yes.
Yes.
Here's the thing. When you go online, everyone's telling the same story. There are no sources.
None of the photographs have an actual source. This is the article that is circulating. I will post it on Instagram.
Because apparently, the stories are, he was interviewed so many times by the press immediately after. That's the only newspaper clipping I could find.
Oh.
So all these things say-
He's a real, that's a real person right there.
But is that? It could be Dr. Rafael Pacheco Pérez?
I do not know.
Is it AI? We never know anymore.
Let me tell you.
The dead Internet.
I could not find, the earliest article I could find, I believe was like 1992, 1997.
Do you think the CIA hid this all from us?
Maybe, but here's more likely. Here's more likely what's going on. I was able to locate the complete article that that picture came from.
Here it is. One magazine.
Okay.
One article.
Okay.
This article was written by Fernando J. Who is Fernando you might have? Yes.
He is a ufologist, born in 1957 in Mexico City.
An ufologist, if you will.
Exactly. He is an investigator based out of Guadalajara, Mexico. There are YouTube videos of him from the early 2000s.
He goes to conferences. He's on podcasts. He published a 1992 guide for investigating UFO sightings and a lot of stories, but nothing peer-reviewed or any kind of scientific journal.
He was the information editor of Contactos Extraterrestris, which is a magazine about UFOs. And in that magazine, he has the spy line for this article that says, El mensaje del piloto hipnotizado por extraterrestres.
And I really wish that our girl with a Spanish minor was here to read that for you guys. No están solos en el universo. We are not alone in the universe.
I can read that.
So this is this article that I just showed you that includes that only picture of the alleged Rafael Pacheco Pérez.
And it's the only one discussing the story. I could not find a date on this article, but this publication, this magazine that it was published in did not begin publication till 1977.
So this, the earliest this story could have been published would have been a year after the alleged events.
But it didn't.
There is nothing else published online, on Google, whatever. I couldn't find anything else before the late 90s or the mid 90s.
So you think this is a hoax.
So yeah, when you, all of the websites, all the podcasts are like, he's been interviewed so many times. I couldn't find anywhere he's been interviewed. All they could find was this one article.
Well, but then why is Rogan? I mean, Rogan is a bigger deal than us. He's got so many fact checkers.
Right.
Okay.
Do you think they removed him from the searches?
Maybe it's all with Roswell.
Maybe. So then I was like, okay, is this guy even real?
Yeah.
And can I find a Rafael Pacheco Pérez?
Right.
I could not.
So he's out on Facebook.
No, but I did find some other people on Facebook. No, and you know what? I wanted it to be like the Swedish twins.
Right.
And I was like able to locate where they live and everything.
I didn't quite have that success on that one. Yeah. I was like, is this guy even real?
I did find that a Rafael Pacheco Pérez on familysearch.com Oh. died December 14th, 1993 in Peru.
Oh.
But there is literally, I couldn't find him. I couldn't find anything else about him. There is no verifiable evidence that he was a student pilot, including training logs, school records, licenses, nothing.
We have, it's like he didn't exist.
No evidence.
All we have are two pictures. That one I showed you. And let me show you this other picture.
I'm going witness protection program for this one.
Whoa. So that is an actual picture of him.
But I, is it him? Because again, all the websites.
Look at his face. You can't tell.
All the websites I post, there's no source anywhere for where this picture came from. I ran it through AI. And it said it was a stock image, but I couldn't find a stock image.
Whoa.
I think, I don't think that's true though, because again, I went to like, I couldn't find it, this exact picture.
But it says Pacheco on his helmet.
Oh yeah.
But I don't know that, I mean, I'm telling you. This is middle name.
Witness Protection Program.
But guys, it's like, describe this picture for the people at home.
Okay, so it's like this guy with the helmet on, he's got a chin strap, and it's a white helmet, and some sunglasses.
Big aviator glasses.
And he's got this flight suit on, like gray. I don't know if that's like his leg.
I feel like that could be anybody.
It could literally be anyone. He doesn't look specific at all.
No. So these are the only two photos I could find anywhere, even though everyone is saying he was interviewed so many times. Okay, so then I'm telling you, Witness Protection Program.
This guy, they probably came after him.
Okay, and then I want to talk about his medical certificate.
So then I find this picture. This is the other source.
He's got a medical certificate?
From when he was cleared medically.
Oh, right.
Okay. So here we go. There it is.
Okay.
And so this photo of this medical certificate from the Centro de Salud Acapulco, signed by Dr.
Ernesto Velez Astudio, claimed that Rafael Pacheco Pérez was found to be quote, clinically healthy. But then I was like, can we verify this? Where did this come from?
Again, no sources anywhere. I was able to find Dr. Ernesto Velez Astudio on LinkedIn.
He has been working at Centro de Salud Acapulco since January, 1974. So this person does exist, I guess. But, and I found another article, not a social media site, that actually referenced him being an employee of this hospital, this facility.
But that's it. The date on this thing says June 20th, 1976. This event allegedly happened June 21st, 1976.
So what does that mean? I don't know. I could not verify this medical certificate floating around.
So is that real? I don't know.
I still think witness protection.
I know. I know. Like who else, last person we can get to verify this story is the air traffic controller, right?
Oh, yeah.
Well, Carlos de Cretche, I did find him on Instagram.
There's an air traffic controller of the appropriate age. He only has five posts and 75 followers. And he was actually interviewed.
So I've linked to this on the website also. He did do an interview describing what happened. But other than that, I couldn't find any proof of this.
And he's got a Twitter too. He's got a Twitter account, an X account, but he's never posted on it. But anyway, I couldn't verify this guy.
I was trying to figure out if we could verify his flight teacher. I couldn't verify that. And the audio that's circulating, that was played on Joe Rogan.
So the story is that it didn't capture everything because they went to this different channel. But it's like a clip, it's in Spanish, you can hear them go back and forth. But no one has been able to validate that online as being real.
And again, these things are all cited. No one has a source of like, this is an AP photo or like, this came from, you know, the FAA.
This is like a, what is it?
I think just like an urban legend. Yeah. I think it's just a story that someone told, and it's been perpetuated.
And I don't know, unless Rafael Pacheco Pérez really just was like, never, he went to live this down. And I don't know, I'm like, no one knows where this guy is. No one knows who he is.
All the stories are like, he did interviews, he said this, he said that, but no one can actually find like a newspaper article or an interview. Yeah, that's why.
I think it was like posted, I think it was that one story, and people have just been just re-posting from that one story. And all the stories are very similar.
Very easy, it's very easy for something to go viral.
Yes, and all the stories are so similar. So it's like, I feel like you literally have this one source, somebody used this one source, and then someone used that source.
And they were just like telling this same story that all just originated from this ufologist magazine.
Yeah, maybe.
Or?
Or, Witness Protection Program.
You think the men in black got to him?
Yeah, and they probably hid everything. Could be.
Okay.
Or, he doesn't exist. Or, hear me out, he was not part of this universe to begin with.
He just, he just enrolled, he's just an alien who enrolled in flight school?
Well, maybe.
I mean, if it happened the way it would have to have happened.
I mean, maybe, no, what I'm saying is maybe he exists in another type, in not this universe, but our sister universe. And then we had a little crossing over.
Like Loki.
And then he went back. Yeah. It always goes back to Marvel.
Okay.
I mean, I think if it happened, he, it was probably like that other guy who was to describing these, these like UFOs that were like magnetic and controlling.
And so if they magnetized to this airplane, if they can go at supersonic speeds and he doesn't have to run his engine because they just, they just pull them along, but move him. That's how it would have had to have happened.
Right.
Also, what is their incentive to like these aliens just were like, we just want you to know that there are other beings out there and you guys aren't special. I mean, he said like, we're all pretty much the same.
And then he said, we're inferior.
Except that you guys are inferior and you guys are going to self-destruct.
Yeah.
He didn't say how. He didn't say what to do.
Nope.
He just said, there are other people just like...
Just so you know.
Yeah.
You suck.
Yeah, exactly.
You're on the highway to hell, my friends. Yeah. Don't know how to help you there, but don't look up.
Don't look for us.
Yeah.
That's weird.
Yeah. I know, but I guess also like, yeah, if there was just one story from like 1976, it would be easier to believe.
Yeah.
We got nothing in the 90s.
Yeah.
Which is a bummer.
That is a bummer.
If anyone wants to pay me to go investigate this and let me quit my job.
Yeah. Happily quit her day job to go to investigate.
To go wander around like, has anybody heard of Rafael Pacheco Pérez?
Yeah. To go to Mexico City.
Say, Carlos de Cretche.
Yeah. Tell me about it. Did this really happen?
Why are you speaking out now?
Yeah. So.
Yeah. I don't know. All right.
I would like to firmly plant myself in the... It could happen. Maybe.
I believe this.
But also, I do believe the research that you did, and I believe that it was very thorough.
And I don't want it to be an urban legend, but it very much could be.
I mean, it was, again... It's much harder to disprove something. This is a problem, right?
Because, again, I was able to figure out what happened to everybody in the twin one.
Right.
But this is just like, I couldn't find proof of anybody. So that doesn't mean it's not out there. Right.
Just that I couldn't find the proof.
Witness Protection Program. I'm telling you.
Well, then why aren't they wiping out all these blog posts and stuff, too? All these podcasts that are coming out about this.
That's a good question. Great question. Are we going to get flashed, you know, like the men in black flash?
The magic men in black are going to come wipe us.
Yes.
Maybe. Would Colleen even get that reference?
Actually, I can see her being like, oh, Madden Bilox were my favorite movies. And you think, we think probably Colleen would say MenTB.
Yeah. Although he doesn't have any history of it.
No.
It could be. He could have been hypoxic.
He's got a clean bill of help. I feel like when it's an aircraft thing, hypoxia is always to be on the differential.
Yeah, on the differential.
All right. Well, that's what I got. Any final thoughts?
No.
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