The Megalodon: Extinct or Lurking in the Unexplored Ocean Depths?

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Today we're talking about the Megalodon, the super shark.  This is the world's biggest predator to have ever existed.  This giant shark lived over 23 million years ago.  But does the Megalodon still live today?  Join us as Colleen takes us through the history of the creature, and whether or not she believes that it still exists today.  

Transcript

The 3SchemeQueens are back together.

Back together.

She's back from her medical leave of absence, we give you.

We said you were defeating Big Pharma.

Yeah, when I did an inside job, guys, I went in, I infiltrated, I came out.

I got things to say, but that's for another episode, Maggie.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

This is episode two of the season.

This is episode two of the season.

Let's tell them one about our drink check.

Drink check.

Today, we are trialing a drink that I had never had before.

We went to Sonic.

We got cherry Limeade's, but you really wanted a dark cherry.

Yes.

She saw diet cherry Limeade.

I couldn't read the menu.

Her brain read dark cherry Limeade, and she was real excited for that.

Which we're like, what's the difference between dark cherry and regular cherry?

I mean, have you had a dark cherry?

They don't exist.

Like the ones you can get at the grocery store?

Oh, I like the cherries that are like the white cherries that come from Mount Rainier.

Oh, I just bought a whole thing of those.

They're only around.

They're so good.

Yeah, they're so good.

It's like eating sour candy.

Yes.

They're so yummy.

But I'll fight you, Megan, dark cherries are a thing because that's part of the night night drink.

Oh, yeah, I used to drink tart, tart cherry juice.

It's tart, it's dark.

You know what?

Oh, before there was a TikTok, Carrie was like, you're doing shift work and you can't sleep and you're circadian with the nose off and your bowels are off and she bought me some tart cherry juice and that was like a decade before TikTok.

Right.

So what do you think?

I like it.

It's good.

I would probably put a little extra lime in it, but it was yummy.

Like the nugget ice, it was yummy.

The Styrofoam cup.

Yeah.

You know, the Styrofoam cups, Virginia has a ban on Styrofoam cups and Kait and I went to Chick-fil-A last week, and I got a large Diet Lemonade in a hardboard cup.

Yeah.

It wasn't even the multi-layered kind.

But you know, Sonic has not yet gotten rid of their Styrofoam cups.

They're probably going to go through all of them and then...

Yeah.

Massachusetts still has Styrofoam cups.

Well, this is breaking.

This is like a very recent...

I think it's only if you have more than 20 businesses.

So it's really targeting like the chains.

The Sonic, the Chick-fil-A, the...

But wait, is there more than 20 businesses in Virginia of Sonic?

Let's Google this.

Because where is Sonic known for being?

In the South.

Yeah, it was the South thing.

Well, I know there's two in our immediate area.

Sonic is not the theme of this episode, but...

There are 51 locations of Sonic in Virginia.

It's probably all Southern Virginia.

Five Virginia Beatrix locations, three Richmond locations.

So anyway, finally, we've been talking...

Yeah, we've been talking about the Cherry Limeades of Gates.

We've been really...

Childhood up to Colleen.

We finally went on an excursion.

It hit.

Yeah, I think you would like the milkshakes at Sonic, too.

Ooh, I do like a milkshake.

Well, last time, I was coming back from my parents' house, and there's a Sonic right by them, and I like to stop for a Diet Coke on my drive back.

Right.

And they had the secret drink menu posted.

Oh, yeah, that's right.

We need to do it.

I sent a picture on it as a secret menu.

I sent you a picture, Colleen.

Yeah, it was a while ago, though.

It was like three days ago.

Colleen is the person in the group chat who doesn't really respond, and then she comes back and goes, I'm really sorry.

I'm overwhelmed.

I can't read these 100 texts.

You can send 80 texts an hour sometimes.

I'll be at work and I'll look at my little red bubble, and it'll be like 208 unread messages, and it's just Kate and Megan.

Well, I am 100% the texter who could send it in one text, but sends it in five back to back.

That's how I am.

I find group messages so overwhelming.

I have them all on mute, but you do.

I have you guys muted, but I have all my group chats muted.

But you guys are very good about tagging.

Like in the group chat when you actually need a response, like this morning Colleen texted Megan, tagged me, so it alerted me and I was like, okay, there's actually something I need to respond to.

It's not just someone ranting about a weird rash they have.

Well, in some of the group messages, Kait will be like at Colleen, because and then she'll be like, she's not going to read this, she has this on mute, so you have to tag her.

That's what I'm saying.

Then I respond.

So if you scroll back through, I sent it to you and to Jillian, whose letter Sonic are on three days ago.

It was on my drive back from.

But I did not see that at the Sonic we went to today.

They didn't have the secret menu line.

No, they didn't.

Secret menu up.

Yeah, this looks more kind of like dirty sodas.

Yeah, they look like dirty sodas.

They had like cream in it.

Yeah.

And you said you went and tried one.

Oh, so sweet.

Yeah, I can tell.

It made my jaw hurt.

Like, do you know what my niece told me this weekend?

What?

We were making cake and she said, when I smell sweet things, it makes my teeth hurt, and the only thing that makes the pain go away is to eat it.

Right.

See what else I did?

This is another bad story.

But I had my press on 4th of July nails.

Yeah.

And so I was like, fun activity with Brielle.

We're going to make this death by chocolate.

So you bake a cake, you crumble it up, and then you do chocolate pudding and then the cream.

Oh, I love those.

And a Heath Bar.

Yeah, you're into Reese's.

I don't like Heath Bars.

And so we were breaking up.

She did the whole thing.

And then like on the very last layer of the cake, she was over it.

So I sprinkled the last layer of cake, crumbling up the cake.

Anyway, I get all done, I look down, and I'm missing a press on nail.

So all day long, I'm sick to my stomach.

My stomach is in knots about this.

Finally, we pull out the death by chocolate at night.

And I'm like, guys, I have, I kind of look at my mom and say, Mom, I've really been sick to my stomach about this all day.

And she goes, just tell everyone.

So I told them, everyone was a trooper.

Nobody cared.

Jeff's face the entire time.

He was a trooper, like he was eating it, but he was like, it was like the slowest ever.

And he was like picking through it.

And then there was some left for the second day, and everyone ate one, and he was the only one who declined to help you on the second day.

Did anybody find it?

No, it was not in the cake.

It was my anxiety.

It probably fell off like in bed or something.

I wouldn't.

And my mom can't eat it.

But the thing is, the whole time people were eating it, I'd be like...

If you didn't say something, it would have been in the cake.

I think they were just two-year-old nails, and so the impress that usually sticks really well just fell off.

It wouldn't have grossed me out to see it in the cake, but it would have grossed me out to have it in my mouth.

Yes, I agree.

And so as I was serving it, I was kind of mixing around, like looking for a...

And it was a white nail, and there's whipped cream in there, you know?

Yeah.

But it was a lot of drama for nothing.

And then Jeff says, can I just please institute a press on nail ban?

That's so funny.

That is so funny.

I mean, he was a trooper that he ate it, but I was like, everyone left the table and he was still picking, and I was just like, I was like, you look, you're not even enjoying this.

That is so funny.

All right, tell us, so what are we talking about today, Colleen?

Today is part two, episode two of season two of Season, right?

Well, not part two.

This is episode two.

Episode two.

Of the Season.

Two.

And Megan, I'm so happy that you shared a very Megan story, because we're also talking about a creature named Meg.

Oh.

Yeah, Dawn.

Yes.

Speaking of Megs, we're going to talk about my favorite Meg, the Megalodon.

His dog?

Yeah.

Oh.

Megan the dog?

We had a dog straight up named Megan, and I could cry thinking about her, but she would eat it.

No, she was a Wheaton.

Oh, yeah.

She would eat a child, but a Megalodon would also eat a child.

Oh, yeah.

So today, we're talking about Megalodon the Super Shark, the world's biggest predator to have ever existed.

This giant shark lived over 23 million years ago.

But does the Megalodon still live today though?

That's the question.

Okay.

Low-key, this is going to be one of those episodes somewhere to...

No, no, no.

It always goes back to Marvel.

I said, low-key, this episode is going to be a little bit like the lunar landing in which I'm going to say it does still exist because I don't understand the science behind it not existing.

Why are you spoiling that?

Yeah, you got to bear it.

That's not a spoiler.

I'm warning the audience.

If you come back and you're like, it doesn't exist, that's the ending.

No, I think it does.

Oh, you think Megalodon exists?

Because I don't understand the science proving it doesn't.

Okay.

Like, do you see what I mean?

Okay.

It's like, I don't understand how microwaves got us to the moon.

I don't understand how you can't tell me this thing doesn't exist right now.

And we're going to get into it.

Do you believe in the Megalodon?

I believe that the sea has a lot of creatures that we have not explored and or figured out.

And I don't not believe in it.

This is our answer to everything in the seasons, because yes, the ocean is so vast and unexplored that you cannot tell us that none of the other things exist.

You can't tell me.

I mean, you can read me all the facts, but like, doesn't mean I understand them.

Let me tell you the history of the Megalodon.

Let's hear it.

What we know about Megalodon.

So like I said, we have found fossils of this creature, that date back to 23 million years ago.

Science number one.

I don't understand how we can age it, but I think it's carbon dating, which we talked about before.

If it's a Megalodon, then isn't...

You can't carbon date sharks.

She's talking about...

She says the teeth.

They're carbon dating the fossils, which they found of teeth.

Oh, okay, okay.

90% of the science behind Megalodon is based on the teeth.

Okay.

And that's right.

Because sharks have no bones in them.

And that's what Megalodon is, right?

That's a great question.

Actually, no.

Oh.

Megalodon is a fish.

A fish?

Not a shark.

That is a cousin to the shark.

I'm sorry, can we pause?

Sharks have no bones?

Yeah, that's why you never...

Yeah, they're all cartilage.

That's why you can only find their teeth.

They don't have ribs?

No.

Yeah.

They're all cartilage.

You didn't know this?

Yeah.

I feel like this is common.

This is a common knowledge, yeah.

There's theories that say megalodon and sharks are relatives, but they existed together.

The ancestor of the great white shark existed with megalodon.

Okay.

So they didn't come from each other.

Okay.

So megalodon is a species in itself.

Correct.

Megalodon is the species name.

Megalodon is the species name.

Yeah.

So is it megalodon's plural?

I don't know.

Like grammatically, I would say megalodon's.

Megalodon's.

Yeah.

So then if it's a fish, shouldn't it have bones?

It does.

We just haven't found all of them yet.

Oh, okay.

Have we found any of them?

We found jaw.

Jaw pieces and things like that.

This is like the guy in Jurassic World.

Yes.

That's the megalodon.

That's the megalodon?

Yeah.

In Jurassic Park, when it comes up out of the pool, that's a megalodon.

That's the depiction of a megalodon in the movie.

Jurassic Park, the OG?

The more recent one where it's like an amusement park.

I've never seen a Jurassic Park except you.

Oh my God, Megan.

Oh my God, Megan.

It's good.

But you know what?

I might want to see this one with Jonathan Bailey.

This is the recommended content.

Oh my gosh.

I'm with Jonathan Bailey.

I can't even talk to him.

Actually, The Meg, which is the movie that came out about megalodon.

So it's actually not a shark but a fish.

It's the biggest documented fish.

Okay.

Or I guess it's hard to say documented because a lot of these are just estimates, right?

Okay.

It is estimated to have been 23.3 meters long, which is four times bigger than the known largest great white shark.

Whoa.

Which I think is about 60 feet.

So to be clear, she said, I'm going to give you all the numbers in meters because it sounds more interesting.

But I said, but we don't know what that means.

So 23.4 meters is 77 feet long.

Yeah.

It's like seven football fields.

Yeah.

No, no, it's like a football field.

It's 300 feet in a football field because we've got 100 yards.

I'm going to be honest, I would have thought this animal would have been way bigger.

Me too.

But actually, whales are bigger than it.

The blue whale.

The blue whale is bigger than it, yeah.

They're estimated to have been 94 tons in weight and could swim up to 3.5 kilometers per hour.

So the media pictures of Megalodon is actually inaccurate compared to what scientists believe it looked like.

So in Jurassic Park, they make it look like really thick and huge.

It's still really big, but they compare it to a lemon shark, which kind of looks like a great white to me when you look it up.

It's just like kind of a skinny shark with a big old mouth.

It's like a great white, but yellow.

Yeah, they compare it to that shape of it.

Fun fact, the baby megas, that's what I've been calling them, are estimated to be 3.9 meters.

But I'm like, how do you know how big the babies are?

Like, I don't understand where they got the baby facts.

Were there baby teeth?

And then they were able to...

They must have found baby teeth, but...

They found a baby jaw?

Nobody has ever found a complete fossil of the megalodon.

So we've never found an entire skeleton of it.

But we have found mostly teeth and bits of jaw.

And so that's what they've been carbon dating and basing the estimates of the size.

The teeth themselves are anywhere from 15 to 18 meters.

And the megalodon has been known to have 276 teeth.

And the jaw could expand 2.7 to 3.4 meters wide.

I'm sorry.

The jaw could expand 12 feet almost.

My gosh.

Yeah.

The jaw is huge.

Do we think that this, like, because they're cousins to the shark, like, maybe they don't have a full complete set of bones?

I mean, maybe.

We just can't prove that it doesn't, because we've never found anything, right?

Right.

And it's an ocean creature.

So the fossils are only what can withstand being in the ocean, right?

There's a lot of pressure down the bottom.

Yeah.

Oh, that makes sense.

So I'm glad you mentioned the bottom, because there's a lot of theory as to where actually megalodons lived.

Okay.

And that kind of goes into-

It's Pacific Ocean.

No, no, no, no.

Megalodons didn't live in the deep, is where I'm going to get to.

Oh, they lived-

Oh.

And that's why the conspiracy of-

Well, I'm spoiling it.

The proof, proof against the conspiracy that it's still alive is because they believed that they did not live in the deep.

Okay.

So people should be seeing them.

We should hate being them.

Unless they've adapted over the last millions of years.

Yeah.

Right.

So we're going to get into that.

Evolved, if you will.

Yeah.

In answer to your question, the megalodon fossils have been found in the Pacific, Atlantic, and Indian Oceans.

And I'll get more specific than that.

Oh, okay.

The teeth that have been found are serrated teeth, like a knife.

So we know that this creature likely snack on meat.

They have been theorized to eat literally anything on the...

They were the top of the food chain?

They were the top of the food chain in the water.

They, quote, may have been one of the most powerful predators who have ever existed.

Well, what can them?

We're going to get into that.

We're going to get into that.

They have been known to eat anything from whales to dolphins.

Okay, well, I'm not mad about the dolphin.

But can you imagine a creature so big it can consume a whale?

No.

Yeah, they chomp at it.

Like what kills...

Except a blue whale.

It's not bigger than a blue whale.

Well, I don't think the blue whale existed.

So wait, what happens to whales?

Do they just die of old age and sink to the bottom?

I think so.

Have you ever seen a dead whale?

I've seen a dead whale twice in my life.

So they wash up on shore.

Yeah, twice in my life.

Sometimes they wash up, right?

But I don't think blue whales do, because blue whales are like deep.

The only creature noted to have been bigger than the megalodon is the blue whale in the New York City Natural History Museum.

The one that's...

Do you know what I'm talking about?

She has a name.

I think they call her Pearl or something.

So where did it live?

So the theory as to the environment that the megalodons lived in is based on the chemicals found in the teeth.

Okay.

Okay.

So...

Oh, that's how they find people too.

When they have like Jane Doe's, they use their teeth and then they say they're half Eastern European.

And yeah.

I just don't...

This is where I...

I don't understand how a teeth can give you that much...

I think if you look at diet, you look at the environmental factors in the area and that all impacts your...

Yeah, they have learned so much from these teeth.

So, the chemicals in the teeth suggested that this creature's baseline body temperature was 7 degrees Celsius warmer than its surrounding.

So, warm-blooded creature.

Whoa.

Meaning...

It's not cold-blooded.

It's not cold-blooded.

That's confusing because fish are cold-blooded.

It's a dinosaur.

I don't know.

Maybe they're different.

How do you have so much fish knowledge?

All I know is that they had to live in a warm tropical environment.

So, they were not deep-sea animals.

Okay.

If a dinosaur is close to reptiles, reptiles are cold-blooded, too.

I'm very confused.

This defies logic.

I think it's a creature of its own.

We don't have any more megalodons.

But you said it's a fish.

We don't know that we don't have any more megalodons.

They called it a fish, but maybe it's a prehistorical fish, and they were different back then.

Maybe it's cold-blooded, but they needed a warm environment.

The base body temperature was 7 degrees warmer than its surrounding environment, the water.

Okay.

Interesting.

All I know is that they assumed it lived in warm tropical waters, and it used shallow warm waters to give birth.

So like the pups were like raised in the shallow waters.

So did they, it's like dolphins.

Yeah, but those are mammals.

That's what I'm confused about.

So-

Dolphins aren't mammals, they're porpoises.

I thought a porpoise was a mammal.

I thought a dolphin was a mammal.

Oh.

Whales are.

Dolphins are mammals.

Yeah.

Whales are mammals too.

Because, wait a second.

So hold on.

So they're not like normal fish, where fish drop off their eggs, and then they're like, see you later.

I don't think we know the answer.

Because we only have teeth and bits of jaw.

And jaw.

Yeah.

I don't even understand how they know about the babies.

I just know that that's what the prehistoric, what do you call them?

The paleontologists.

That's what they are saying.

Interesting.

So they thought the pups were like, so they were like single, they like bore single.

Whoa.

What?

Megalodon sharks had intrauterine cannibalism.

Do you guys know what that is?

It means the babies would eat themselves out of the body.

The embryo would eat the unhatched eggs inside the womb.

And then so these babies that we bore would be very large, potentially 12 to 13 feet long at birth.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

And it says that they gave birth to live young, they did not lay eggs.

So maybe they had intrauterine.

They're their own type of creature.

Like not a mammal, not a fish, not quite a shark.

Do sharks have the...

They have eggs.

Sharks have eggs, right?

Yeah, because I find them, you can find them and pop them.

They look like seaweed.

Oh, they look gross.

Yeah.

Let me see.

They're called mermaid purses.

Yeah, we find them in Cape Cod all the time and you can pop them.

Anyways, so how we know where they lived is based on where we're finding the teeth and the creatures.

So we have found evidence of megalodon on every continent except Antarctica.

Okay.

And they have been primarily found on the coast of North and South Carolina and Florida.

Oh.

Isn't that interesting?

That is interesting.

So next time you go to the beach, look for megalodon tooth.

Do they look different than shark teeth?

They're huge.

I hate to just debunk everything you just said.

What?

They have in fact found vertebrae.

Oh, yeah.

Well, we're primarily finding teeth.

Okay.

So they have done a CT.

Most of the evidence.

But I mean, we have information from the vertebrae.

They found vertebrae.

They've CT scanned it in the vertebrae to find growth bands, like on the tree, like the tree branch.

Oh, that's how they age them.

Yeah.

And that's how they know, I think, about the size and all of that.

Yeah, they're huge teeth.

That's bigger than your hand.

Yeah.

So it's like, yeah, Megalodon likely gave birth to the largest babies in the shark world.

But that's calling it a shark.

So maybe it is in the shark.

But they're saying...

Maybe it's the only thing that we can, like, actually compare it to.

But like, the great, maybe it's just not a great white shark.

Because the great white shark ancestor existed alongside the Megalodon.

So they didn't come from each other.

Right.

So there's a common ancestor even before the Megalodon.

Yeah.

I mean, Wikipedia says that the Megalodon is an extinct species of giant shark.

But that's Wikipedia, you know?

I don't know.

But again, if you're getting vertebrae...

Is it a shark?

Right.

Because sharks don't have vertebrae.

Yeah.

Well, this was the only, this is a one-of-a-kind predator, right?

So maybe we just don't have the vocab for it yet.

Yeah.

Needs its own classes.

But it's part of the dino...

Was it part of the dinosaur era?

Yeah.

So when did it go extinct?

It went extinct about 2.6 million years ago during the Pliocene era.

Allegedly.

Allegedly.

Okay.

The Pliocene era of time is like the prehistoric label for that period of years, I guess.

And it's infamously known for when the planet went into global cooling.

Okay.

So like we have global warming right now during, this is one of the theories why majority of the dinosaurs died is due to global cooling.

Ice age.

Yeah.

Specific to the oceanic animals, right?

So they are claiming the megalodon is extinct because it could not have survived the cooling of the ocean.

Oh, okay.

And so that's why they're saying megalodon is gone.

So megalodon ate everything below it.

And majority of animals in that period thrived in coastal warm waters.

And so when the water started cooling, all of the smaller prey died and megalodon had nothing to feed on and then also could not survive in the cooling.

And so they're saying there's no way megalodon could live today because it would have had no food and could not have survived the environment.

What about evolution?

Right.

They're saying it couldn't have evolved quick enough.

So wait, it's the strongest didn't survive.

Yeah.

Isn't that crazy?

But I'm like, you're telling me that this shark, whatever you're going to, shark fish, is like was the number one predator in the entire globe at that time and could not survive a little bit of cold water.

Isn't that crazy?

Well, I don't think it was like a little bit of cold water.

I know.

I thought his stage was like, if we tell me, you're telling me.

And also another big reason why they don't think it's still alive, which is just like a bunch of fun sucking.

They said we would have telltale bite marks that would be found on whales and sharks and other fish that would be so obvious, that we would know it's a megalodon.

Well, and if you're saying they live in warm, shallow waters, we would probably see them.

My argument was, well, if it's the number one predator, would there be bite marks or would they just be eating the animal?

Like, maybe we just wouldn't have evidence.

You're saying it's a 12-foot mouth?

Yeah.

And like, maybe we just...

Maybe they're just better than us.

They also said we'd be seeing it on satellites.

Yeah.

That's too good.

Our technology is too good these days.

Especially if it was shallow.

Although we've not explored the deep sea, we do observe at least the top few layers of the ocean through satellite monitoring, and we would have seen it.

It would have been hard to miss.

So...

That makes sense.

Unless they evolved and are living deeper, in like the Mariana Trench.

Unless they evolved.

Mariana Trench.

Yeah.

This was my joke that I wrote down.

Like our own Meg, they prefer the heat.

Megan, yeah, Megan, we always joke, like Megan is like so cold all the time, and Colleen and I just can't handle it because we come over in our house.

We're dying.

I could tell you pulled it down for today, though.

It did.

It feels cold today.

Yeah.

I don't know.

My thermostat is always set between 68 and 70 degrees.

Always?

Always.

No, I do 68, but mine feels ice cold compared to yours.

When I'm 68, I feel like it's too cold.

I really like it's 70, but when people are coming over, or if I'm like upstairs, I know the heat, you know.

We're 68 the whole time, but.

I hear some other fun facts about the megalodon.

Did you know that a necklace made out of megalodon teeth was found on the Titanic wreckage?

What?

That's pretty cool.

Yeah.

How big of a necklace was that?

That's what I want to know.

Just feeling like that must have been.

Yeah, because when you just showed us a picture of a tooth, it was the size of someone's hand.

50, it was like, it said it was 50 pounds.

I'm going to assume they probably had one tooth on the necklace.

A tooth.

They're huge, Megan.

They're huge.

No, I know, but I'm trying to picture 50 pounds a tooth that someone's wearing.

Yeah, it had to have been one tooth.

Yeah, I'm like, just one tooth with the string around it.

I don't know.

Also, how do you get a string around it?

The drill you need to drill a hole in that thing.

Maybe it was like not as big as a 50 pound tooth.

I don't know.

Also, another fun fact.

Maybe it was art.

You know, people brought things that were like, yeah, I watched for them.

I watched Titanic.

I saw Rose DeWitt-Bucator with her Picasso's and with her.

Yeah, like a French girl?

Being painted with the heart of the ocean.

Yeah.

They also were estimated to eat over 100,000 calories worth of food a day.

Wow.

Wow.

I can't even estimate how much burgers is that?

Well, how many calories is a human?

That's a good question.

If you were to eat one average size human, and Megan's furiously Googling right now, one average size human, how many calories are we?

And how would they estimate that?

Because if you think of a steak, steak is pretty calorie dense.

What?

The average adult human body contains 125,822 calories.

So they just got to eat one of us?

They eat one human a day and they can survive.

That's wild.

Yeah, so it's probably like, that would be like a whole shark or something.

Oh yeah, so the fat in our body is almost 50,000 calories.

The muscle is 33,000.

Oh, we got a lot of muscle.

Organs.

And then you've got your organs.

And then there's only 36 calories in the teeth.

Teeth calories?

What's that?

36, 36 calories in your teeth.

So I, like Megan said, kind of, I'm like, I could believe megalovans still exist because, like, I don't understand the science behind the teeth data.

She doesn't get the carbon dating.

Like, how could they have not evolved?

You know what I mean?

How quickly did it cool down?

Well, hot take.

But what if evolution didn't exist?

Okay, we're not doing that again.

I gave you your, you believe in evolution.

I do.

I believe in evolution within a species.

I don't believe the evolution firm says so.

We're not going to do that again.

Okay.

I think exactly why the scientists, I think that it was too cold.

I mean, the mammoth died.

Yeah, I would love to see a mammoth.

Me too.

What's that audio from Nicki Minaj?

She was a mammoth, of course.

You know that one?

No, I was just thinking about Ice Age.

I loved those movies.

That should be a recommended content, because every single one of those made me crack up.

They're so fun.

The squirrel, looking for the goddamn nut.

Oh my god.

The guy with the lisp.

Yeah, Sid.

Sid the Fluff.

Oh my god.

Sid the Fluff.

Anyways, that's what I got for you.

Do you guys think the shark is still here?

No.

I think we would see it on Saturn.

Yeah, that was the other thing.

Have there been any people who have claimed sirens?

There have been, but they've all been proven to be, no, they've all been proven to be a great white.

A great white or a whale.

Yeah.

I guess I hate to just be a downer and debunk our second.

It was pretty quick too when I was reading it.

I was like, oh, sad.

Too many dinosaur nerds out there.

All right.

Well, I guess I'm going to say of Ross Geller.

Yeah.

If we find out that there's a megalodon in the Mariana Trench, I'm not going to be surprised.

You got me.

You have provided zero proof that they do exist.

So I'm going to say they don't exist unless they evolve to be able to survive in lower temperatures.

Yeah.

And maybe they got smaller because they were big because they were consuming so much food.

Like maybe they are.

And if they were less food, maybe they aren't quite as big as they used to be.

Oh, that's a good theory.

That could have been another way they evolved.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I'd love to find a tooth.

Oh my gosh.

That'd be really cool.

I've never found a shark tooth before.

There's a lot of areas that are known for it, but I just don't think I've ever gone swimming in places that I've known for it.

I'm sorry.

You grew up in New England.

I don't think they're shedding teeth up there.

Well, when you look it up, it's all Florida and the Carolinas.

Well, I watch Jaws, okay?

That's Martha's Vineyard, yeah.

Yeah, that's New England.

It is, but you think I could afford to go there, Megan?

Honestly, Martha's Vineyard, Cape Cod, they're all the same to me.

Well, I have been on a day trip to Martha's Vineyard, but I don't think they're shedding teeth up there because you literally don't find anything on the ocean.

Well, also Martha's Vineyard beaches are different.

Yeah.

Charleston beaches.

It's an island.

I mean, are you guys finding the teeth in the water?

I feel like wash up on the beach.

Like I've never found them.

I mean, again, I don't know that I found one either.

I just want to know I'm talking like I'm an expert.

No.

Okay.

So consensus is they probably don't exist.

But yeah.

Yeah.

Sad.

I agree.

All right.

Well, that was so interesting.

It was.

I feel like I learned a lot about ocean life.

They made me want to get into dinosaurs a little bit.

Me too.

Maybe I should go just sit in the class of paleontology.

It was kind of interesting.

You know what I want to do when I retire?

I want to teach water aerobics and then I just want to go sit in college classes.

Water aerobics.

You can do a bunch of Harvard classes for free online.

I don't want to do it for free.

I don't want to do it online.

I want to go sit in the classroom.

I want to go to an English literature class where they're reading Jane Eyre.

Oh yeah.

And it's like book club every week.

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Yeah.

So what I want you to do is I want to take out, I want you to take out your phone, I want you to text 3 fishermen in your life who have probably either been shark fishing or walked along the ocean and found some shark teeth and see if maybe they have any information about Megalodon.

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Yeah, Maggie, sounds good.

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Russian lake, if you will.

Russian lay, yes.

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