The Lost Colony of Roanoke

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In 1587, a small English colony was established on an island off of North America's east coast.  It was meant to be the first permanent English settlement, but the colonists mysteriously disappeared.  Known as the lost colony of Roanoke, it remains one of America's greatest historical mysteries, with only vague clues, and  no definitive evidence, fueling ongoing speculation and theories.  

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Welcome, welcome back.

Welcome back to the 3SchemeQueens podcast.

I believe that's the 3SchemeQueens podcast.

Yeah, yeah.

What did I say?

Oh, no, you just seemed like your tug was a little heavy.

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

It's the three of us.

We did it, guys.

We made it through.

We made it through the wilderness.

Through two moves.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

One and a half moves.

One and a half.

My move is this week.

It'll be fine.

I'm just ready for it to be over.

And then I don't have to move for a while.

Well, you're a homeowner.

I'm a homeowner.

Woohoo.

Every time I say the word homeowner, I think of Joe Dirt.

You guys know Joe Dirt?

Well, I know Joe Dirt, but I don't know what you're referencing.

No.

I think like, I like to see Homo naked.

And it's like, home is where you make it.

I like to see Homo's naked.

Oh, I like to see Homo's naked.

Where do you make it?

Homo's naked.

Joe Dirt.

Guys, she can say that.

She can say a lot of things that we can't say.

You ever see Joe Dirt?

I love that movie.

Family Gap.

But you know what?

They would never make a comment like that in the movies these days.

I don't know.

It's that style of movie.

Well, let's pause, because Colleen was over here laughing at 9-11 jokes.

On TikTok today?

What?

It was this video of this guy playing with a kid, and he picked up his Elmo telephone, and he was like, uh-huh, uh-huh.

Oh, okay.

Then he hangs up the Elmo telephone.

He looks at the camera and goes, he just hit the second tower.

The girl laughing is clearly someone who doesn't remember 9-11.

I remember.

I watched him hit the second tower.

And I'm like, meanwhile, I watched this documentary this morning.

I texted Kait about.

It was like a 9-11 documentary, and she was like, that's some dark early morning.

9.30 in the morning, I was like, just a casual morning.

Well, it was like all the comments were like, we're all going now.

It was like the way he presented it.

Like sitting across applesauce with a toddler playing with an Elmo telephone.

Oh, it was his setting.

Yeah, across applesauce.

Yeah, we used to sit the other way.

Indian style.

Yeah.

It's time for our drink check.

Well, we're not on theme, but I feel like we're sort of on theme.

We're having a refreshing summer cocktail.

Yeah, it is a summer drink.

I mean, we're headed into summer.

So this is somewhat on theme.

It's like my favorite drink.

Colleen's drink check.

We're having some bourbon and homemade lemonade.

Lemonade, bourbon lemonade.

It's like my favorite drink in my favorite restaurant.

Well, my second favorite drink at my favorite restaurant.

Liberty Taft.

Oh, Liberty Taft.

You know what I mean?

I love the LTGT.

And then I love the Masonic, which is-

Oh, that's what I had last time.

It was so good.

It's a bourbon lemonade.

But then I think there's like mint in it or something.

I don't know.

Of course there is.

Because I have so much mint outside.

It's like 12 bucks.

Of course we're going to throw a green leaf in it.

But it's called the Masonic because it's a Freemason building.

Right.

Yeah, we looked it up.

It used to be the Freemason lodge.

Before it became a restaurant carve out.

You're drinking Bullet over there with your homemade lemonade.

What are we drinking?

Not wild turkey.

I don't have any wild turkey.

What am I drinking?

But you didn't even notice.

Your drink's almost gone.

It was good.

We are drinking Derinda Medleys.

That's from Derimaine.

Berkshires.

Who's Derinda Medley?

Of Rue Haas's New York.

I will say, do you remember Bug Juice?

Did you ever listen?

I did not watch it, but I am familiar.

Okay.

That's the reality TV show I liked.

And Real World to Housewives.

I mean, no, Real World on-

I mean, I watched Real World.

That was really like the original.

No, I feel like Bug Juice was the original.

And then remember Real World Road Rules Challenge?

That came much later.

Yeah, yeah.

But I watched those too.

Well, when we watched-

Do you remember Wes?

From Real World.

And then he hit all the challenges.

He was on Traders.

But this guy is still-

He's still profiting.

Profiting.

You know what?

He's learned how to play the game.

Good for him.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That was the ginger guy.

Yeah.

My reality TV show was Jersey Shore, and I still had a bedtime when it was out.

I remember Jersey Shore.

That was like height.

That was peak.

Kate Bourbon Boy dating phase, and we would GTL.

Can I direct everyone to that magnet on my fridge that says fist pumping like champs?

Yeah.

Because when I was a young child in grad school, we used to go out to the bars and win fist pump.

Who you did it?

Fist pump and the bars.

You know what they did say?

They said that bars and clubs are not settled.

They're like our point in time.

We were peak bar and club.

College kids, they're still going out to bars?

Yeah.

And what they wear is interesting.

I'll tell you that.

Well, I think you can also go back to, we were wearing young professional.

Yeah, we were wearing.

No, but that's coming back.

I know.

Well, everything's cyclical.

Yeah, it's crazy.

It's like the like, the crop tops with the wide legs.

That was us in middle school.

It's crazy.

Never me.

Not me.

Yeah.

But yeah, I remember that.

I remember those days.

Anyway, you remember.

Do you guys remember the days of your elementary school, maybe, and they start talking about The Lost Colony of Roanoke?

Yeah.

Well, we used to play Pilgrims.

Oh, you used to play Pilgrims?

In Madley-Jusets?

It was a fifth-grade event.

Oh, I believe this.

And every grade walked through the Pilgrim town, and everybody had a role, and you had to do something that the Pilgrim did in the Pilgrim way.

So I was a tailor in a hand-sewed t-shirt or something like that, but somebody was a butter maker.

That is super cool.

I never did that.

We had Colonial Day in Virginia in the fourth grade, and we did a lot of research.

We went to Jamestown, and then we did, it was kind of the similar things.

Like we all dressed in Colonial.

And my mom, I have a dress that matches like American Girl doll Felicity's dress.

I wish I was sure of it.

But I also know about the Roanoke, Lost Colony Roanoke from?

American Horror Story.

American Horror Story.

That was the first one with Lady Gaga.

No, it's on the sixth season.

Yeah, but Lady Gaga was in it.

Oh, the first one with Lady Gaga.

Why do you say it like that?

Because it's funnier.

Oh, is that how she's saying it now?

No, it's her French name.

I was like, have I missed something?

Well, let's get into it, Kait.

I don't want you guys to think that this is The Lost Colony of Roanoke, Virginia.

I thought it was.

No.

North Tackalackie.

Yeah, it's in the Outer Banks.

Well, it's in North Carolina.

In North Carolina.

Then what's the one in Virginia?

Well, there is a Roanoke, Virginia, however.

They're not the same?

It's not the same, and I just learned that.

Wow, I had no idea.

Isn't the Roanoke like the name of something?

It's like a Native American tribe, right?

Yeah, the Algonquins.

Roanoke, meaning shell beads or shells used for money.

Oh, neat.

Anyway, let's get to the...

Let's get into it.

In 1587, a small English colony was established on an island off North America's East Coast.

It was meant to be the first permanent English settlement, but the colonists mysteriously disappeared.

Bum, bum, bum.

Known as the Lost Colony of Roanoke, it remains one of America's greatest historical mysteries, with only vague cues and no definitive evidence to fueling ongoing speculation and theories.

Okay, so knowing what you guys know, what do you guys think about the Lost Colony of Roanoke?

I don't remember all the facts again, but I thought that a lot of them died, and then those who remained did go live with other people.

But I did think that there was a lot of, like I thought a lot of them died, and then it was like, we have some survivors, and in order to survive, we need to go live with.

You really listened during history class, Megan, you?

Well, I know the same thing.

Okay, wasn't there like a Wishbone episode about this?

Because I definitely remember it being way more mysterious than I do.

What did you remember?

I'll tell you what.

Just like they disappeared and no one knows where they went and...

Well, who did you think...

What did you think happened to them?

I don't know what I thought happened, but I thought it was way more interesting than what this actually is, but you kept that.

Well, because there's like something carved into a tree and that was all this laugh.

Yeah.

Which I thought was supposed to be a message that people knew where to find it.

That's what I interpreted it as.

Yes, you guys are really smart.

But how do you know so much about The Lost Colony?

Because I watched the entire season of American Horror Story.

Oh, you know what?

You guys have spoilers.

Yeah.

Okay.

What I have right now is the rec...

Well, what I have is all of that I've researched.

But before I research this topic, I have the recollection of a Wishbone episode.

Okay.

Which was like...

You don't know what Wishbone is?

I don't know what Wishbone is.

Oh, shut your mouth.

Oh, my gosh.

Is it on PBS?

Yes.

But they played in school, though.

It was like he would go back, he would like...

Who's he?

The dog.

The dog, Wishbone.

Oh, it's like Fetch.

You ever watch that show?

The dog is Wishbone, who looks a lot like Tanner, except he has a spot on his eye.

You should dress him up for Karen.

People always tell me he looks like Wishbone.

Wow.

Obviously, people older than you tell me that.

But yeah, we used to watch it in school, like that at Reading Rainbow, right?

Yes.

And so it was like educational.

And he would, yes, he would like time travel to different...

Yes.

And he would dress up, and he'd like wearing the outfits of the era.

Yes, it was like such a good show.

Was it a real dog or a cartoon dog?

No, a real dog.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

Look at Jack Russell.

I love that.

Anyway, it was a great show.

But I think that's all I really have a recollection of.

So you guys, good for you for listening during history class.

Did he have a voice?

Yeah, he talked.

What was his accent?

I think it would change with the...

Oh, my God.

I love him.

Okay, keep going.

Yeah, it was a great show.

I love, hold on.

Show.

Okay, so for anyone who didn't listen in history class like me, it was Mayor John White.

That is the man who, they left England.

He was the one who had like the head of this colony.

Right.

Okay.

So he left England.

They established this colony, but they had run out of like, what's the word on this?

Supplies?

They had run out of resources and supplies.

So he left on his boat.

He went back to England and returned three years later, only to find that his wife.

Three years?

Yeah.

Well, you have to think about this.

This is like, I also read this and thought, well, yeah, they're gone in three years.

How long does it take to cross the ocean back then?

I mean, probably six months, right?

Okay.

So he should have been back in a year.

Yeah.

But then he had to gather probably like money and like a crew and-

Wow.

Yeah.

That seems excessive.

That does seem excessive.

His grandchild was, fun fact, the first English child that was born in the Americas.

Whoa.

They just had vanished.

Whoa.

In the place that he had left them, there were letters that were carved into the tree, just like you guys said.

Yeah.

But tell us what it's, I don't remember what the words were.

So, it was the C-O, so the word was C-R-O-A-T-O-A-N.

Croatoan.

Croatoan.

Yeah.

And they were carved into the trees, like around the colony's borders.

Multiple trees.

Multiple trees.

Oh, I didn't know that.

The whole word.

And then the tree had C-R-O, like they were trying to finish it, but it wasn't finished.

So that was like suspicious.

Okay.

And so they like launched this search party to try and find them, and they could never find them.

And when they were unable to find them, there was this like storm approaching.

So because there was like no resources, no colony, whatever.

John White actually like turned back to England and went back to England.

Whoa.

Yeah.

So I assume, I guess you're right, he must have brought people with him.

Right.

You think he just showed up.

Three years later, he shows up.

He was, oh shit, there's a storm coming.

No, that's what they said.

Look for this colony, but then there was this like massive storm coming.

I don't know how long he turned around and went back.

Yeah.

This doesn't feel like enough time to really look for your loved one.

I agree.

I don't know.

But back in the day, like, how did they really search?

I mean, he clearly had, he had gone for all these resources, right?

So he clearly had supplies.

Right.

But I think they stayed long enough until the supplies left, like, or in there.

Oh, okay.

And then because they were looking for people.

So this could have been months and months.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

And it wasn't actually until Jamestown was established in 1607, that there were actually earnest searches for this, like, lost colony of people.

And Jamestown's not far from this?

Jamestown is in Virginia.

Jamestown is about an hour and a half south of us.

And how far is Roanoke?

This Roanoke?

Roanoke is in the...

Oh, so by four and a half hours by car?

Okay.

But like by foot or by horse?

I don't know how it would have looked.

If you had just been like that, I would have cut my ties.

That is too far.

I would have cut my ties.

It's a whole new country.

You don't know what the land you're even walking through.

Right.

You know what I mean?

Like it's like us go to the moon.

Well, let's be clear too, Colleen.

You probably would not have been...

I feel like it would be us going to Africa.

No, but you don't know anything that's on it.

I feel like you guys...

I don't know what's on the other side of the moon.

Again, let's pause.

I don't think either one of you would have volunteered to come to the new world.

Incorrect.

I would have gone.

I don't know.

I feel like...

I went 10 hours from home, Megan.

I definitely would not have gone.

Yeah, I don't know about you.

The fastest decision I've ever made was...

You just told me you wouldn't walk through...

You wouldn't walk away from Jamestown because of fear of what's out there.

But you would have for sure...

But because you went to college...

I went from college to people I don't know.

Like that.

Oh, you mean the Jamestown presence?

I'm like, that whole village is dead.

Why would I start from there?

I just want to be clear that I don't know...

I mean, I also went away to college.

I don't know that going out of state to college is the equivalent of coming to the new world.

But noted.

Okay.

I mean, I think Colleen would be curious enough to go, but I know for sure I'd be like, I'm not getting on a boat.

I don't care if I die.

Let's go.

You're rationing my water.

I want to be dead by the time I'm 40 anyway.

What a way to go.

My cousin died as a pilgrim.

You know what I mean?

He'd ration Kate's water and she's like, gone.

Yeah.

Okay.

So there are a couple theories of what happened.

Okay.

So number one, the coloners simply just moved.

Right.

But where?

Well, because there were no bones and they didn't find anything that was really left behind, they thought, you know what?

Maybe the colony had just been destroyed, or the colony had just sort of like been destroyed and they sort of did it themselves and they ran out of resources and they just simply moved on.

I mean, I can kind of see that.

If you're saying it took them three years to return, maybe two years into this, they're like, I think maybe he died at sea, right?

Like, what a week.

Or like, oh, he's not coming back.

Yeah, so now to re-marry.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, so now we need to go leave ourselves.

Right.

But has there, or do they have any theories about where they might have gone?

Yeah, there's some theories that I'll get to in a minute.

Okay, sorry.

No, it's okay.

So I guess James White actually wrote a letter back, and apparently the colonist, he says, had prepared to move, quote, 50 miles to Maine.

He didn't know where he was.

No.

And they think that they meant-

Was there Maine then?

No, he thinks that they meant Maine as in the mainland.

Oh, because they're on an island.

Well, I think they were on the coast, and he just meant deeper into-

Move west.

Yeah, the forest of the mainland.

Yeah, so that's what he thought, maybe.

That's what he said, he thought before he went back to England.

Remember the big storm came when he went back to England.

There was another thought that they were massacred by the Spanish, because the Spanish was also vying for the New World at the same time.

But wouldn't there have been an empty colony or evidence?

Yeah, their homes or whatever were burned or there were bones of bodies.

Yeah.

So they thought that this colony had actually moved.

And as they were moving towards, actually they thought they were moving towards Florida, which I guess was where the Spanish were.

They're moving towards Florida and somewhere around Georgia.

They might have met up with a Spanish.

Yeah.

And then they would have been massacred.

Also though, I can see relocating for hopefully new resources.

But that feels like a really long way to go on foot, to go from Roanoke to Georgia.

I know.

That seems like a very long way to go.

Just put on the South Carolina.

Which I mean, I understand they work there.

But I guess this is a long geographical way to go by foot.

Because apparently, Puerto Rico had supplies, which Puerto Rico is not even close to, but they're trying to get to Florida to get to maybe a port, because Puerto Rico had supplies from Spain.

So maybe they were, I don't know.

I have no idea.

That's what one of the thoughts were.

Okay.

And to me, it doesn't make sense that they would go that way instead of trying to forge their own path and teach themselves some things.

But that was another thought.

Well, I want to know who was left.

Did they leave people who were smart?

I don't know.

You know what I mean?

Like if he took his shit back to supply for supplies, like I'm sure he took some talented people with him and left them without like...

You think he just left all like the old people behind?

Yeah.

The old people and the pregnant?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, again...

He couldn't have done that.

I mean, they would have had to leave some like hunters there, right?

That's what I don't know.

But you know what, if they left a lot of women and children, kind of makes sense again why Colleen and I think they ended up...

Marrying and procreating with the locals, you know?

Yep.

Well, then there was another theory that they were attacked and sold by Native Americans while migrating up the coast.

So this is a theory by John Hopkins University's anthropologist Lee Miller, and who describes the colonists deliberately left Roanoke, and they followed Sir Francis Walsingham, who was the Secretary of State to Queen Elizabeth I.

Apparently, the Sir Francis Walsingham was like a favorite from Sir Walter Raleigh, who was a favorite of the king, and they were kind of conspiring to like, I don't know, hope that the colony wouldn't survive.

I don't know, this is like something they're saying.

Anyway, so they took them, and he wanted to settle the group in like the Chesapeake Bay area, which I guess is north of where the colony would have been.

And apparently, the colonists sort of wandered into a Native American tribe, who were pretty hostile, and they kind of fought for control with the colonists.

They ended up taking control over the colonists, and it's a theory from this guy from John Hopkins, Lee Miller, that they were sort of assimilated into the tribe, but like as slaves, and then sort of, you know, traded or sold off.

No, no, sold off to who?

Bading.

Just sold off to who?

Other tribes?

To other tribes.

Whoa.

Yeah.

That was a thought.

And then, there's a thought that they migrated to Hatteras Island.

I don't know what that was.

Like Cape Hatteras?

Yeah, like Cape Hatteras, off the coast of North Carolina.

Oh, yeah.

So they went from one island to another?

Yeah.

So this is less violent, obviously.

But did you guys know that the Croatoan actually lived on the Hatteras Island?

Well, I'm sold on this one, then.

And did you know that the Croatoan was the word that they carved into the tree?

Croatoan are Native Americans?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's like 50 miles south of the settlement.

And that's a more reasonable distance to go down to Georgia.

Oh, this is the one, I believe, okay?

Yes.

I forgot about this.

And it's sort of like the Jamestown colonists, they, you know, in 1607, after they were established.

So anyway, the Jamestown colonists, when they were looking for these people, they thought that they had heard these tales of these white-skinned people in the Native American tribes, who, you know, developed these two-story thatched-roofed houses.

And they had a unique style that was like similar to the English.

This is like, Jamestown was hearing this, but there wasn't actually any...

I mean, there's no cameras.

Right, there's no cameras.

Who were they hearing this from?

It's harder to draw, like, it's harder to get 50 miles.

And, you know, some people aren't very welcoming.

I think there was a lot of animosity between the English or the Pilgrims.

I assume they're only hearing this from, like, tradesmen.

Yeah.

People trading.

He also says there was also a report from one of the Jamestown colonists that he saw a boy that was sort of, that was light-skinned and blonde hair that was dressed like a Native American.

So he thought that maybe they had assimilated into that tribe.

This report actually corroborates, like, really the history and the paleontologists that we, like, I'm going to tell you there's the whole group that is digging and doing active digs in Hatteras Island, that sort of corroborates the story.

So there's actually evidence that supports this.

There's proof.

Proof, proof.

Yep.

So apparently, there was, like, this Crotone Island, which is actually Hatteras Island.

The tribe there was called the Lumbee Tribe, and there was actually, like...

I thought the Crotones were the tribe.

No, no, no.

Crotone was the island.

Okay.

Lumbee was the tribe on the island.

So the Lumbee, so then there's, like, also stories of, like, the Lumbee, you know, having children with light eyes.

Oh.

Is Lumberton named after the Lumbees?

Probably.

That's a good thought.

I broke down in Lumberton once.

So anyway, there is, like, recent excavations in Bertie County, North Carolina.

And this is, this dig site is called Site X, as in, like, X marks the spot.

And they have found archaeologists, paleontologists have found dozens of, like, English style.

Oh, yeah.

Artifacts that they would date back to, like, the 1500s.

Here's the proof.

It's situated, this X marks the spot, is situated near the mouth of Salmon Creek, which is notably near where the Native American community was.

And new finds actually are finding, like, cloth, like, different components of, like, guns that they used.

Things Native Americans wouldn't have.

Yeah, that Native Americans wouldn't have.

And then, like, they're called tenterhooks for stretching animal hides, so to make, like, clothes and things like that.

And then apparently, there's, like, another area called Site Y that has showed very different types of, like, ceramics that they would have used.

So the theory sort of goes that there was, like, this severe drought during the time that they were there that drove the colony south, and they met up with this Native American tribe, and the Native American tribe was a nice tribe and let them sort of assimilate into.

But it was also thought to that, like, a lot of them actually did kind of die.

So I don't think it was a ton of people.

I think it's a little bit of everything.

Yeah, yeah.

And probably, yeah, people are dying, and then they're like, the few remaining people are like, we gotta do something because we've been abandoned by white.

Whatever happened to white?

Did he marry again?

I don't know.

That was the last I heard of white.

Okay.

And we were never heard of again.

I don't like him.

He's so sad.

I think, yeah.

Walter White?

No, what did you say his name was?

James White.

Because Walter White is very, very white, you know?

Yeah.

Walter White is from Breaking Bad.

Breaking Bad.

I think a little bit of everything happened.

I think people died.

I think they assimilated.

I'm sure they were also attacked in some way.

There's also this weird, like they call it the Dare Stones.

So it's weird, it was made by Eleanor Dare, which is the daughter of John White, which I told you guys, she's Dare Island, or Dare County, North Carolina.

Yep.

Who this is the, you know, she was pregnant when he left and had the first grandchild.

Grandchild.

These stones are, they apparently, they can tell, contain stories.

So she must have written on these stones, stories of the colonists and maybe anecdotes to her father.

However, that they were largely to believe, believed to be like a hoax, like somebody had, you know, faked it.

Yep.

So anyway, there is the, there is a project called the Crow Toan Project.

It's ongoing archaeological research that is conducted by Dr.

Mark Horton, who is the Professor of Archaeology at the University of Bristol in England.

And this project is basically a big dig that they're doing in Hatteras Island to kind of figure out what happened in, to the lost colony, but also like, you know, different parts of the Native Americans and the colonial history there.

So, that should be our next field trip.

I know.

I thought it was pretty cool.

And there's a lot of like ghost stories there.

So, actually in 1998, this is where they started like unearthing the English artifact.

And new evidence is what happened in May 5th, 2022, where...

Breaking news.

I know, it's breaking news.

Oh my God, I love when this happens.

This was unearthed by the Croatian Archaeological Society that over...

The Croatians or the Croatoan?

Croatoan.

Did I say Croatian?

Yeah, that one.

Country.

The Croatoan Archaeological Society.

This will help further kind of squash the idea that over 100 English and Welsh men and women walked away through the dark forest.

They were in fact not lost, as we were talking about with this colony.

They wrote on their trees where they were going, and they ended up in Hatteras Island.

And there's also a documentary, if you want to watch it.

It's on the Science Channel.

And it's a two-hour documentary, which kind of goes through the graveyard of Hatteras Island and sort of what they found there.

I know, interesting, right?

I always think about majority of our history is just dug up.

I know.

It's like, really the dirt.

And archaeology is so important.

Like even on the Potomac over here, you can go fossil hunting, like just up the road, like a little pastoral town.

You can go and just dig and you find so much stuff.

Oh, neat.

We went excavating near Culpepper.

Excavating.

Oh, neat.

Yeah, found some old glass window remains.

I love old glass.

You love old glass.

I go crazy for it.

So, anyway, there's some ghost stories.

Remember that, the Dare stones that I was telling you about?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

So, Virginia Dare.

Okay.

Virginia Dare is the first child.

The granddaughter.

The granddaughter.

Apparently, legend has it, that she lived peacefully with the tribe on Croatoan Island, and she grew up, and she was a beautiful young girl, and she was admired both by the colonists, the story, and the Native Americans.

And there were two people that sought her affection.

There was a noble named Okisko, and then a jealous sorcerer named Chico.

I'm going with the sorcerer.

And then when Virginia rejected Chico, he cursed her and turned her into a white deer.

She should have done this.

Yeah, that'll be the story.

Because I feel like if she had all these people who were wooing her, she would be like, yo, I'm Virginia Dare.

I would have gone with the sorcerer.

And then the mystery would be solved.

Well, hold on.

Like, then we wouldn't be talking about whatever happened to this colony.

We would know because she would have told these people.

Okay.

What happened to the old man?

The White Doe roamed the abandoned colony, becoming a legend among local tribes.

Oh, Kiesco suspected the deer was Virginia under a spell and obtained a magical arrowhead to break the curse.

Meanwhile, he killed her.

One Chessy, unaware of the doe's true identity, killed her, vowed to kill the rare creature with a silver out arrowhead to prove his bravery.

Well, both men found the White Doe at the same moment.

Oh, my God.

Oh, Kiesco's arrow lifted the curse while one Chessy's arrow killed her.

Oh, my God.

So, wait, when when Otsiswa's arrow hovered his name, she shifted into his?

And then he knew he killed his love?

Oh, my God.

Yep.

Realize, that's so sad.

Watch as he fled.

Kiesco buried Virginia at the old fort.

From the spot where she died, a new vine grew, producing sweet red juice grapes known as scuppernongs.

Right.

Right.

Yeah.

I've had a city around Carolina's first wines.

The tale hints to a deeper, perhaps darker mystery behind the legend of Virginia.

I do like how that ties into Virginia wine.

Yeah.

I like the name Virginia.

Cause anyone who's not from Virginia, you may not know this, but Virginia?

Has a good wine country.

Good wine.

Maryland, not so much.

But I'm not so, I don't understand why these two men, well, I guess just one man would be like, I mean, I thought you'd be like, oh, they were hungry and they killed this deer in accident.

But to be like, oh, I want to go out and kill that beautiful white deer just to prove I'm a man.

Well, I mean, maybe he wanted the meat and he was like, I'm going to get this white deer because it's so rare, you know?

And then he went to cut off its head and hang it on the wall.

Um, well, that's dark.

What?

You didn't know people that did that growing up?

No, I know people that did that.

Well, we know the Billy Whack Monster, no, and what's his name?

The Billy Whack Dairy owner had his prized Prince Aggie's head mounted on the wall.

Yeah.

I just like, I appreciate the skill it takes, but like, you want to live in a room that has an animal look on you.

That's weird.

That's what gives me the, yeah, you know?

I just don't understand why it's like, look at this super rare, look at this endangered species.

No, I don't.

Now let me flex and prove my worth.

Okay.

Now I think that it was probably different back in the day.

The men here like to flex, they drive their nice cars.

This guy was like, I'm going to flex and kill this white deer.

Yeah.

No.

Yeah.

You know, it's like a...

Well, I'm still going to maintain that if the story was real, like if Virginia Dare was able to just talk to all these Englishmen, then it wouldn't really be a mystery what happened at the colony.

Well, that was the thing because she was turned into a deer because of a horned ex-lover, and then killed.

Got a lot of...

So there was no way for it to continue.

I made a deer joke.

Nobody heard me.

What?

I made a tale of super-effort?

Okay.

There's also what Colleen and Megan were talking about earlier.

There's American Horror Story did a season on this.

Yeah, it was really scary actually.

It's the sixth season.

Kathy Bates, she's amazing.

Well, she's in every season.

Yeah.

She's like one of their mains.

But Kathy Bates is like the epitome of horror story.

True.

Yeah.

Okay.

So the first, I guess it's 10 chapters and it follows this couple that's fleeing LA to NC after a traumatic miscarriage.

And the couple finds an abandoned colonial farmhouse and moves in.

And this follows like 10 episodes of like creepy things that happened to the couple.

I guess creepy and scary things.

And other residents that lived in the house.

This is what I'm just stuck around.

Yeah, they're like haunted by the...

Yeah, they're haunted by the...

The colony.

And like...

Like wander out at night and like see weird...

Yeah, and Lady Gaga like comes out of no where and she's like...

Like she's like a monster and it's really cute.

There's one episode...

That's really cute?

No, it's really scary.

There's one episode where she pops up.

So I watched this season in college.

I associate this season of American Horror Story with my sophomore year.

And sophomore year, we lived on the ground floor.

And I just remember there was like 10 of us in my living room watching this episode, and it's like built up, built up, built up.

And like the moment Lady Gaga's character jumps out of like the bush or whatever, my friend Rue comes knocking on the window from outside.

I've never been more scared in my life.

I still think about it.

I've never watched American Horror Story.

I don't like to be scared.

I love horror shows.

No, I do like thriller books, but I don't like horror movies.

I love them.

Anyway, that's kind of weird, I guess.

And then there's also this ghost ship.

Love a ghost ship story.

So apparently, the Elizabeth II is a replica of the ship that John Waite originally brought over.

Libby II?

Yeah.

It was built between 1984 and 1987.

Remember, this is a replica, so it's not the original.

And it kind of like commemorates the lost colony in America's 400th anniversary.

Apparently, at night, the ship appears.

No.

In the Roanoke waterfront.

And it's also supposed to be haunted.

I want to go on it.

I don't buy that.

Why would you haunt a brand new ship that no one ever lived on?

Since 1709, John Lawson visited, and apparently this mysterious vessel has been sailing the area.

Well, Lawson says he's encountered native people with gray eyes, possibly of mixed heritage, who have claimed to also see this large vessel in the waters.

They have searched through to try and find, like, wreckage or treasure, and they have found nothing.

However, sightings of this ghost ship continue to this day.

Whoa.

Yeah.

So what do you guys think?

Doesn't feel very, I mean, I thought it would be way cooler than what I, No, it has, it has potential to be a conspiracy, but I mean, yeah, I think more likely it's just, we have like proof proof and like the archeological sense, but it's like, we'll never have like, this is more of a mystery than I guess a conspiracy.

They like disassembled, I mean, it would be conspiracy if you were like, all these Native Americans came in and slaughtered them, then okay, I guess that's, you know.

I mean, that's conspiracy, but then like what happened to them, that was it.

But I think, yeah, but I don't know, but I don't think that's what happened.

Then why, yeah, yeah.

No, I'm just trying to say how this could be a conspiracy, but I don't think that's what happened.

And like, why were there like homes and everything like deconstructed?

And why write like so many Kroatoa on the trees?

And they wrote them all over because they want to make sure they knew this is where we're going.

And frankly, I think White just didn't love his family enough.

You know what I mean?

He didn't know what Kroatoan was.

Oh, maybe.

Yeah.

But they said that the Jamestown settlers, after that whole debacle happened, the Jamestown settlers were the ones that kind of figured out like, oh, there's an island.

Do we think that someone from Hatteras Island, or no, it's Kroatoan Island?

Yeah.

Do you think someone from Kroatoan Island came over and found them and said, like, come with us?

Yeah.

But then I think maybe that I think something like that happened.

So maybe it was like, how did they get connected?

Well, so I'm just thinking.

Well, maybe Virginia Dare did a little.

Was real cute.

And, you know, one of the some.

Come with me all in exchange for this child bride.

Yeah.

In exchange for the child bride, I will feed you.

I mean, here's what I'm thinking.

I'm thinking that Dwight disappeared, and it's been two years and they're like, half of them have died off.

Three.

I don't know.

A lot of them died off.

And then somehow, because someone had to tell them about Crowatowin.

Yeah, he was, but they were probably like hunting on the island.

Yeah, and a Native American must have like migrated.

Right.

Or someone came over.

And then maybe he was like, well, you know, we have resources on our island.

Come with us.

Right.

She said, I'll show you my ankle if you let me into the tent.

And that's, I'll show you my pinky too.

So they disassemble everything.

They disassemble everything to take their resources with them.

And they obviously made quite an effort to relive.

To let them know where to find them.

Right.

And he didn't look hard enough.

No, I really didn't look hard enough.

Blamed white hair.

Yeah.

I mean, maybe he did have some mistress back in England.

And he was like, well, when I Wikipedia-ed it and said he went back and he never returned to North America.

Yeah.

But no one really knows what happened to him after that.

He looks like he left in Ireland for a while.

He was-

And then he died.

Shopping around.

Do you think he was shopping around?

Maybe he was really depressed.

This is the first time you don't think someone's having a menti bee?

Their whole family's gone?

And he doesn't have a menti bee?

I mean, he was gone for three years.

He never came back.

I don't understand why it took three years.

The three-year timeline drives me a little crazy.

Well, hold on.

We are thinking about things right now.

If I'm to believe what you said-

I would have said a year and a half.

Think about the crops that need to be grown, the meats that need to be cured.

All that stuff takes time.

England is funding this colony, so they should have been ongoingly-

I picture him-

you said it takes six months to cross the ocean.

I don't know if it actually does.

That was a thought.

Okay.

So I picture, if it takes six months to cross the ocean, he goes to the queen.

He's like, we're dying and we need help.

And she goes, okay, you may have all of these crops and all of this food, and here are the resources and go back out there.

I don't know why-

England was thriving at that time.

I don't know why you have to wait a whole year for crops to grow.

No, I just feel like three years is like a normal time period.

It took a long time to cross the ocean.

I need to know how long it takes.

I'm with Colleen.

I'd say a year and a half max, if we're to believe it takes six months.

I'm going to Google right now how long it takes to cross the ocean.

Okay, Pilgrim.

66 days.

Wow, there is an Elvary's face.

He took three years.

To be three years.

It's crazy that he took three years.

I was going to give him a year just to cross the ocean.

It says the Mayflower took 66 days.

That's crazy.

From England to Cape Cod.

That's crazy.

That was interesting.

Thank you for the refresher.

I'm so glad we could teach Colleen about Wishbone.

Oh yeah.

She's going to be at home watching.

I really need to watch it.

I really wish there was more ghost stories, but that was it.

Yeah, no.

I want to go to the ghost tour.

We should watch the ghost tour.

I love a ghost tour.

I feel like that's the best way on vacation to get some historical knowledge.

It's always lies.

Well, it's okay.

You still have a lot of history.

I've done like-

The old town was a crazy crap.

And I went to New Orleans.

New Orleans, one takes you, I've done a couple in New Orleans, and it takes you to the other houses from-

American Horror Story.

American Horror Story.

When-

What's she's in?

When Kathy Bates, she's the bad one.

Angela Bassett's a good one.

And they're into like the voodoo.

Oh, the witch one?

And then Nicolas Cage bought the real house that belonged to-

I know what you're talking about.

Kathy Bates' character, but then he never spent a night in it because he was too scared.

He built his tomb next to Marie Laveau, who is the good voodoo priestess.

And when you go to her tomb, you're supposed to leave an offering.

And my friend and I had nothing, except we had each just had a Bloody Mary with a-

A lime?

A pickled pepper.

You left her a pickled pepper.

And so we each left her a pickled pepper because we had nothing else.

You know what?

I want to give it to myself.

Something?

Yeah.

I was like, we can't be cursed here because we're leaving an offering.

Right.

Other people are leaving pennies.

Pennies.

So Kait, you're on board with our theory?

Well, I mean, I feel like-

It's proof proof now?

It's proof proof.

Yeah.

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