August Rubel & The Billiwhack Monster

The Billiwhack Monster is a creature said to haunt the hills near Santa Paula, California. First reported during the 1950s, the monster allegedly resides in or around the ruins of the old Billiwhack Dairy.  According to local lore, a former military scientist who owned the dairy was connected to the OSS, the precursor to the CIA.  The OSS allegedly had the owner of the dairy, August Rubel performing experiments beneath the dairy, and one of these secret projects involved attempts to create a super-soldier.  Legend has it that one of these experiments went horribly wrong resulting in the creating of the Billiwhack Monster, a hulking, half man/half goat covered in dark fur, standing over seven feet tall, with immense strength and glowing eyes.  During WW2 Rubel was sent abroad where he died.  The family supposedly abandoned the property, leaving the monster to roam free and torment visitors.  Sightings of the Billiwhack Monster are still reported – is there really a human experiment running free and harming locals?  Or is this all an urban legend meets conspiracy theory stemming from the general distrust of the government during this time period?

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Hey, guys.

Hello, friends.

Welcome.

It is another episode of 2SchemeQueens.

That's right.

Where's Kait?

Today, Kait is fighting demons in the woods.

She is battling the monster we're gonna talk about today.

Oh.

She's giving us intel.

Okay.

For the episode.

She's, I think what you're trying to say, then, is that she's in California looking for the Billiwhack Monster.

Yeah.

I didn't know it was called that.

Yeah.

Life updates is that I'm moving for the seventh time in my life.

I'm looking forward to it.

You're going to be a little closer though, right?

I'm going to be much closer in a cuter neighborhood, and I could walk to target.

Colleen brought over all of her plants in preparation for her move.

Megan is resuscitating my plants.

We're going to do a little resuscitation.

They're so bad.

Then keep them out on the porch, and hopefully, by the time you're moved and settled, they'll be flourishing.

Hopefully, back to life.

Yeah.

Are you going to miss your little nook though?

I am, but currently, my nook has become my depression nook, and it is full of stuff.

I thought it was like your cat nook now.

It has a spot for many, but everything else is just piled up.

I need a refresh.

I can't wait to move.

I'm like...

It feels good, and you get a chance to like throw things out and purge a little bit.

I can't wait to purge, but...

So is it time for our drink check?

Drink check.

This is a good drink check today.

We're not on theme really, but...

This is just a drink.

It's a great summer drink.

So we came back from Home Depot.

We went to get some potting soil for our replant.

Repot's happening.

And I was like, let's just swing on over into Starbs and get a melon burst energy drink.

And I was like, what is that?

And she goes, well, just make sure you only get me like a tall.

Yeah, because I am, as you all know, renowned for never finishing a drink.

That's right.

I think I'll finish this.

I might add ice, but I might finish this.

And I said, bad news for you.

This only comes in venti, but it's fine.

Rude that it only comes in venti.

Yeah, so we're having some melon burst energy drinks from Starbucks.

And Starbucks wrote on the cups, I guess that's a thing, but I've yet to experience it until today.

Mine says B slash G boost.

I don't know what that means.

Oh, wait, maybe it means big boost.

Is that an I?

Yeah, that's big boost.

Oh, I don't know what big boost means.

I think it's all part of their rebrand because they've been drawing pictures and writing them for me the last few months.

I haven't received any with a doodle.

But this is good and it tastes like a summer mocktail.

It's very delicious.

It's got some cucumber hints in there.

It is bubbly.

If you don't like a bubble, it's bubbly.

It's pink.

I feel like I'm like a middle schooler on a day off.

It gives middle schooler drink vibes.

Like you just went to Starbucks, got a frappuccino or a pink drink.

I'm like, I should be like, I don't know what a middle schooler does nowadays, but I just feel like I'm walking the streets being a mall rat.

Glad we found it.

It's hard sometimes to please Colleen with her.

She's got a very specific palate, so I'm glad we found a winner for it.

Yeah, just like a cold drink.

Yeah.

And yeah, you drank half the venti already, which is pretty impressive for you.

I like it.

So let's get into it.

Today, we've had some serious stuff lately.

So I have a shorter, more light-hearted one, conspiracy theory this week, and then I think Kait and Colleen are going to take over the next few weeks and do some fun conspiracies.

Okay.

So we're going to talk about the Billiwhack Monster, and this is really a conspiracy theory meets urban legend.

Billiwhack makes me think like, don't give a dog a bone, this old dog is running home.

So the Billiwhack Monster is a creature said to haunt the hills near Santa Paula, California.

First reported during the 1950s, the monster allegedly resides in or around the ruins of the old Billiwhack Dairy.

According to local lore, a former military scientist who owned the dairy was connected to the OSS, which we've talked about in the past, that's the precursor to the CIA.

The OSS allegedly had the owner of the dairy, August Rubel, performing experiments beneath the dairy, and one of these secret projects involved attempts to create a super soldier.

Oh my god.

Legend has it that one of these experiments went horribly wrong, resulting in the creation of the Billiwhack Monster, a hulking half man, half goat, covered in dark fur, standing over seven feet tall with immense strength and glowing eyes.

How many legs?

Just two.

How is he half goat?

Two arms, two legs.

His head is very goat-like.

Oh, I didn't even think the head would be the goat apart.

During World War II, Rubel was sent abroad where he died.

The family supposedly abandoned the property, leaving the monster to roam free and torment visitors.

Sightings of the Billiwhack Monster are still reported.

Is there really a human experiment running free and harming locals?

Or is this all an urban legend meets conspiracy theory, stemming from the general distrust of the government during the time period?

Whoa, the farmer was the one doing the experiments?

He owned, we're gonna give you some more information about him, but he came from money and he built this dairy.

And yes, the theory is that it was like kind of a front that there were spirit experiments happening.

Interesting.

Did you believe in Sasquatch?

I think I did, but did I say that it's like, I don't remember what I ended up declaring.

I do believe in Sasquatch.

Yeah.

So this is sort of, some say this could be like a cousin of Sasquatch, you know?

So with limited information, are you even buying it at all?

If Colleen says no, I don't know.

There's no hope out there.

Is there a half-goat man wandering the woods?

I wouldn't be shocked if somebody was doing weird experiments in their basement.

That wouldn't have shocked me.

Do I think there's an actual half-goat man in the woods?

I don't think so.

Okay.

I like that his name is Billiwhack.

Let me give you the information, and we'll circle back on that, but it doesn't bode well.

Also, this is like the 1900s, like what's the year frame?

Yes.

So the sightings are reported in like the 1950s, but it all goes back to the early.

I'm like, are they tripping on acid?

Like, I'm thinking like, is this 1960s like drug era?

California?

Yeah.

Oh, I forgot we're in California too.

Hmm, interesting.

Sometimes I forget that California can have farms.

I don't picture California as like a place that would have a dairy farm.

I think they have to have dairy farm.

I mean, I think they do have a lot of, you know, there's like a lot of space out there.

I just think of LA.

Yeah.

What's his education background?

Okay.

You have all these questions.

You have the answers?

I do have the answers.

Okay.

I need to know if he is like an academic.

He's a Harvard graduate.

Oh my God.

Okay.

Hold on.

Hold your thoughts.

You should have started with that.

Before we go into August Rubel and the dairy and the monster, let me just tell you briefly kind of about the sightings that have been reported.

There have been reported encounters on Aliso Canyon Road and Wheeler Canyon Road near the Billiwhack Dairy and Ranch, which is in Ventura County, California.

Most of the reports, as I mentioned, started coming in in the 50s and 60s, but we still have some random sightings today.

The first newspaper article about the Billiwhack Monster came out on October 31st, 1965 describing a monster who lives in an abandoned dairy and preys on young people that go looking for him.

Allegedly, this monster has thrown 50-pound rocks at cars and even pounded on the hoods of automobiles, leaving dense.

It has also been reported to carry around a large club.

In the 50s, a nine-year-old boy reported being attacked and clawed by a weird animal near the Billiwhack Dairy.

Oh, God.

He had scratches across his arms and back.

Then there was a follow-up article saying that teens reported to the sheriff that the monster is lurking in the main buildings of the dairy and it attacks anyone who comes looking around there late at night.

But again, if you want to read it, there are still people who are telling stories about their billiwhack, their sightings.

Is the billiwhack farm still standing?

It is.

We should go.

Hold that thought.

Okay.

We should go.

Tax write-off.

Yeah.

We have so many trips.

So where did this alleged monster come from?

Well, let's start with the background of his creator, August Rubel.

He was like Frankenstein.

Well, this is kind of Frankenstein.

Yeah, but that was a love story.

August Rubel was born in Zurich on July 6, 1899.

He's German.

That's Swiss.

Oh.

But he does have his name, Rubel, is German, I think.

Okay.

But it says-

Is he a Nazi?

Oh my God.

Wait.

I think I believe it.

So he was born in Zurich on July 6, 1899 to wealthy parents who were in finance and shipping.

Okay.

And they moved to New York when he was just three years old.

His father died in 1913, leaving his $2 million fortune to his wife and three kids.

$2 million in 1914.

Correct.

That is a lot of money nowadays.

It is.

So his wife and then his three kids all have trusts, and when they turn 23, they get access to their inheritance.

Okay.

So he's filthy rich.

Yep.

He attended St.

George's School, which is an elite prep school in Rhode Island.

What it has Saint in the name, you know it's bougie.

Very prestigious.

He registered at Princeton University, but he left early.

I guess this is kind of very common at the time.

He registered for classes, but I don't think he ever attended.

He left to volunteer as an ambulance driver in World War I with the American Field Service in France.

So he served there in France from 1917 to 1919.

And again, he's the guy who would come in in the ambulance and he'd like scoop up the wounded and get him to a hospital.

And he's like young.

Yes.

He's like 18-ish.

So he comes back and he attends Harvard University.

Oh my God.

Where he graduated in 1922, which is the same year he married his wife, Mary.

And then-

Mary.

It is.

This was a very challenging episode to research, but our recommended content this week is another podcast, California True Crime.

It's three people who talk about true crime in California.

Right.

And-

Because there's that many crimes in California.

In that podcast, they mentioned that they thought Mary may have been heir to the Colgate-Pumolive company, meaning his wife also filthy rich.

Filthy rich.

She's a nipple baby.

Now, I also read, though, that she and her siblings were orphaned and actually raised by her aunt and uncle.

And then at the time that she met August, she was living in a boarding home, which doesn't really scream, well, money, that was like, that's a thing.

That was a thing for young girls, right?

Like boarding home for young girls where they all rented a room.

Yeah.

That's like a thing, right?

But the big takeaway here is that it sounds like she may have also come.

She probably.

For a lot of money.

If she didn't actively had money, she probably came for money and knew how to live life with money.

Well, that's just gonna get to the obscene amount of money that was used on this dairy.

And she probably got her MRS degree.

Well, she, yeah, so I don't know that she went to college.

She was 20, he was 23.

They got married and she was like, I really don't want to live in New York.

I think he had sort of an entry level job for like an oil company.

And so they decide, you know what, we're just gonna pack up and move to California.

Okay.

So they moved to California and it's just interesting because again, as we talk about this, like he did not come from a ranching family.

He came from this business family.

He had grown up exclusively on the East Coast and spent some time in Europe.

Very different.

But he's never like, he's never lived in California and now he's just like, I'm gonna pack up and move to California and we're gonna become farmers.

It's kind of crazy, right?

So the story is that he actually didn't have a plan.

They took a boat.

He sounds manic.

He took a boat to San Francisco and then they bought a car and they were just like driving toward LA.

They took a boat from New York to San Francisco?

Would they float through the Panama Canal?

Oh my God, why didn't they just drive?

Well, it's like it's 1900s, but I feel like a train maybe.

Yeah, a boat seems crazy.

This is like Titanic time.

I guess, but a boat seems crazy.

Mm-hmm, okay.

I don't know why that seems wild to me.

That's the hang up on this series.

You're telling me they went all the way around through the Panama Canal.

Was the Panama Canal even a thing then?

What a wild way to go.

That seems people of money.

Yeah.

A luxury clue route.

What did they do on the Titanic?

Let's get personalized cigars.

Yeah, cigar ashtrays.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

Again, as we mentioned on the Titanic episode, if we could all just live like the other half for like-

Oh, I would have so much fun.

Okay.

But the deal was that they just had no plan.

So they get off the boat in San Francisco and they're just driving towards LA.

They happen to drive through Ventura County and see some signs.

Because this is so crazy.

I have two buddies that I was deployed with, that live in Ventura County.

And he actually went into the town and was like, does anyone know these guys?

And they call.

That's so random.

And one of them was a real estate agent who helped them buy their land.

What if you just call Taylor up?

Like, okay.

I'm not doing that.

They came with no plan, no land and just phoned a friend.

Lots of money though.

This is crazy.

So it sounds like his buddy helped him purchase his first property in 1923.

Initially, he was like an apricot farmer, apricot.

Random.

I think it's either way.

Apricot.

I say apricot.

No, wait, apricot.

I don't know what I say.

He was an apricot farmer for about two years, and then he purchases 308 acres of land in the Aliso Canyon and began developing it into the largest dairy in Ventura County.

The LA Times wrote an article.

They said, quote, buildings of concrete and steel are being built at a big expense.

They will have accommodations for 500 head and the interior will be inlaid with white glazed tile.

Special buildings are being constructed for the 40 employees.

Each man will have his own room with hot and cold water.

In addition to this, there will be an emergency hospital completely equipped, and there will also be a special hospital for the cattle.

He opened the dairy in 1924 and he wanted to develop it again.

He wanted this to be like the finest breeding farm in the United States.

But as I mentioned, it just seems like he just gotten his trust.

He's 23.

He has no experience in farming.

He just thinks he can do this.

And he's just like, I'm just going to throw a ton of money into building this dairy.

I mean, I guess if you monopolize the business, you can make a lot of money.

But like, that seems like a very high risk.

So do you know what his secret weapon was to becoming the best dairy rancher ever?

Pasturizing.

Good guess.

But no.

Prince Aggie.

It was Prince Aggie, you might ask.

He was a Holstein bowl.

Oh, to breed.

He was the most expensive bowl ever purchased.

So he just bought him for $110,000, which is $1.5 million now.

One singular bowl.

That's insane.

And I guess they look at like the how much butter their offspring produces.

And his offspring had record-breaking butter productions.

Like this guy, this cattle is like the king.

Okay, but call me crazy.

Bowls.

How many times can you breed that bowl with your cattle because-

Then it's incestuous.

And then it's incestuous.

You know what, that's interesting because I just read an article that-

Is it worth that much money?

Well, I mean, I think too, you sell off, you breed and then you sell them off.

So they're not all necessarily be on your farm.

But I was thinking that because I read an article about these turtles in the Galapagos Island that were extinct, but there's one-

No, there's one sex-addicted turtle who is responsible-

Bringing back his breed.

Responsible for 40% of turtles.

That's crazy.

So the article was like, he's a hero.

But all I could think was like, yeah, but how are they gonna continue this, right?

This generation-

Yeah, it's like cheetahs because aren't all cheetahs like 99.9% related to each other?

I don't know.

That's crazy.

There's one sex-obsessed turtle is just saving-

The species.

That's so funny.

So back to this bull, Prince Aggie.

Why did they name him that?

I think he was named that way when he got him.

He was born in 1920.

He got her in 1925.

Then with this purchase, August purchases 179 cattle, and he gets the-

Then bangs them all.

I think he gets the manager also.

No, it's a bigger issue than that because the dairy is not ready yet.

It's still being built.

Well, they all have to be pregnant first.

You know what I mean?

A female cow has to get impregnated before she can start making milk, right?

Then you just forever breastfeed, is essentially what dairy is.

Or do cows always make milk, whether or not they've been pregnant?

You're correct.

Cows need to be pregnant or have recently given birth to produce milk, just like other mammals.

That's what I'm saying.

They have to be pregnant and then they're forever breastfeeding.

They just keep them impregnated in order to keep the consistent milk.

Isn't that awful?

That is terrible.

I think it was like how they say humans, if you have to breastfeed, but you can breastfeed forever if you just don't stop, right?

Well, that's what some of the cows are like that.

Then also they keep the baby near them for so many weeks.

It really amps up their milk supply and then they steal the baby.

Isn't that crazy?

It's crazy.

Yeah.

Then they sell the boy cows for meat.

That's how dairy farms make their business.

Well, so back to this dairy farm.

Okay.

So he purchases this $110,000 bowl and he's got 179 other cows, okay?

But the dairy is not built yet for him, so it's not done.

He's got the animals but nowhere to put them.

Right.

So he has a lease agreement with the guy that he buys these cattle from and he's like, I'm going to keep paying you to store these cows for me, okay?

So it's important because it all just implodes and there's no money.

Oh, no.

Okay.

So he ends up-

Getting a lot of riskiness.

Yes.

He ends up running behind schedule.

He's running low on funds.

The guy who sold him, he ends up having to sell off the cattle that he hasn't even brought to the farm yet.

To pay off the debts because the guy is like, I have overcrowding now because I have my cattle and the cattle I sold you, taken up all my room here.

The real issue though, is that one year after being purchased, Prince Aggie dies of a twisted intestine.

Think he had a tumor and so now the guy has nothing to breed them.

Exactly.

They can't make milk.

This bull that he spent $110,000 on, dies after a year and guess what?

What?

He's not insured.

That's some bull shit.

That is just poor business management, I think.

He wasn't even insured?

No, so this is completely devastates August.

He had not turned the bull like I said, he had just invested $1 million, which would be today, $15 million.

Which is probably like majority of his trust.

He's like spending money left and right.

So $15 million today just spent on reinforcing concrete buildings, doing a modern refrigeration plant, refrigerating delivery trucks and his livestock, and now he's lost his bull and he can't complete the dairy and it's all nuts.

That's crazy.

So the fact that this property was so state of the art and so overbuilt, is one of the reasons that this theory got perpetuated, like this must have been a cover for something else.

There might have been something else going on.

In the dairy, like maybe government experiments.

Oh, yeah, because where was all the money going?

So this dairy allegedly had a secret underground level.

People say tunnels.

I can't find proof of any of that.

There were multiple buildings.

There's an aviary that was built to house August's wife's tropical birds.

Oh my God.

There's a report to the Cultural Heritage Board that describes the property as mostly being completed by 1926 with all work being done by 1931.

It says, a road leads up to the gently sloping hillside to a large terraced area containing the once-operated dairy buildings.

Today, these buildings function as a mix of housing, offices and storage related to the citrus operation on the surrounding 97.73-acre property.

All of the buildings are built of reinforced concrete and are tile-lined.

Located in a long row on the east side of the road from south north are three dairy barns, a creamery building for milk processing, a milking barn and a second dairy barn.

To the east of this barn is a milkers dormitory.

West of the buildings against the hillside are three large hollow clay silos and concrete building that housed a hammer mill.

In the center of this large flat area, originally stood a large number of open-sided livestock feeding sheds, measuring approximately 20 by 60 feet.

A two-story dormitory for the employees has also been demolished, and only the underground parking area remains.

Wow.

So he finished building it.

Well, not quite.

They made some dairy, but it never functioned at like-

It never resale.

It never profited.

Correct.

And again, he had to start selling off pieces to pay the debts.

Right.

And so then I guess going into why we even have these OSS theories.

So as a reminder again, OSS was a secret organization that was disbanded after World War II, but reformed as the CIA.

So they were accused of doing all sorts of illegal and amoral activities, as we've discussed in the past.

And August Rubel was in the right age during World War II.

He was well-educated.

We assume he was multilingual, just because his dad was German or whatever.

He came from Switzerland.

He went to boarding school, you know, Harvard educated.

So we have to assume that he probably spoke at a minimum like English and French.

He probably had some Latin.

Useful.

Yeah.

So we know that like this, a young, well-educated, multilingual man would definitely be someone that probably the OSS was interested in.

Right.

We do know his daughters have said he didn't speak German.

I did read that somewhere, but I don't know.

Can we believe that?

I don't know.

I doubt that.

He had international ties because of his Swiss origins and his US residency, so that fits the recruitment profile.

And so you want to know what happened to August?

He became a spy.

Okay.

So pretty much the dairy, again, is this big money pit that is not-

He's struggling.

Yeah, struggling.

And he's having to sell off the cows because he has no where to keep them.

And his big purchase of the bull, that fell through.

He actually found someone to sell him reluctantly, like one of the offspring from the bull.

So he could still have the alleged good butter can.

And he taxidermied Prince Aggies, which hung in the family home for many years.

Oh my God.

I wouldn't have kept that.

Seems like bad luck.

Yeah, but he ended up, so like that happens.

And then World War II starts and he volunteers to go back to allegedly for the ambulance.

Really, we think he's a spy.

People, well, I don't know, we think, but if you believe the conspiracy theory, he's a spy.

Then he's doing secret spy work during World War II.

I can believe that.

So the official story is that he was driving his ambulance.

He struck a mine on August 27th, which caused him multiple injuries.

He was captured by the German Army.

Oh, God.

He was taken in to be captured.

He was only there maybe overnight before he died of his injuries.

I mean, a lot can happen overnight.

He could be a BFF.

They took him back to the scene of the ambulance and buried him next to the ambulance.

Oh, my God.

So he died in World War II.

Yes.

Allegedly.

Yes.

His remains were moved to North Africa American Cemetery.

And so again, that's the official story.

When would he have had time to experiment?

But other than coming from a lot of money and volunteering to drive an ambulance, I can't really find, I'm trying to figure out this OSS jump.

And other than, again, what we discussed, like he had money, he was well-educated, he was multilingual, I can't really find any connections.

I did think it was odd that he's like this rich, well-educated guy and he keeps volunteering to go over and like drive an ambulance.

But again, the theorist would allege that he was on a secret intelligence mission.

The entire time, but we don't have any proof of that.

No.

But we do have proof that he's buried over there?

Yes.

So the official report states, Rubel returned to base to bring back the medical supplies and the orderlies after dark.

They were to start at 8 p.m.

At the last moment, Lieutenant Stockton decided to accompany them.

They set out.

Lieutenant Stockton, Rubel and the three orderlies and were never seen again alive.

They had taken a wrong turn, gone behind the enemy's lines, and they were blown up on a mine.

Oh my god.

Rubel and Stockton were at least four miles off their course when the car was blown up.

How this occurred is still a mystery, but from my own experience, I know that it is entirely possible.

There was hope for a while that they had only gotten lost and been captured as enemy patrols were known to be operating in the area, and the full story was not pieced together until the end of the campaign.

August Alexander Rubel, who had enlisted in SSU 631 in World War I, was killed by the explosion and was buried by the Germans beside the wrecked ambulance.

I think also there was, because it sounds like he was captured and then died the next day, and again, this them not really knowing what had happened, they sent a letter to his wife that he was missing, and then there was another letter later that he was dead, and so people were like, oh, this confusion, was there something suspicious happening?

But that's fairly normal to say they're missing before they're dead.

We didn't have proof.

We don't want to ruin your hope.

Correct.

And then, actually, again, on that podcast you referenced earlier, the girl was commenting that, in her family, one of the hosts, they were misinformed of deaths in the family during the war.

I think it was just a different time.

We didn't have the technology and the communication we have now, and so people did make mistakes all the time.

And like you said, I think saying, hey, he's missing, even if they think he's dead.

They would have said that.

I think he's missing because we don't have proof that he's dead.

But I think that people thought like that was suspicious.

I don't know about that.

And then, so what happened to the ranch?

The original 308-acre stock farm in dairy were sold off into smaller parcels in 1930, and it would operate as a dairy until 1943.

It's mostly operated as a citrus ranch since then.

Although who was running it after he died?

His wife remarried, and the husband that her new husband took over managing.

But again, I think it's sort of passed.

Some of the properties always remained in Rubel's family name, but for sure pieces have been sold off and run by other families.

And the actual property now, again, is run by a family that runs it as a citrus farm.

And it's a much, again, where it was over 300 acres.

It's now a 90-acre property.

It's like half.

It's only 90 acres.

That's sad.

I don't know how big an acre is.

I just like, everybody always says acres.

I don't know how much an acre is.

Probably don't know anyone with an acre of land.

Who are my cousins with the farm, but none around here.

In the DMV.

No, no.

Unless you go out where the, you know...

Great Falls.

And so, yes, this goes into a lot of these, the conspiracy, there have been legends of conspiracy theory, the stories, the lore, say that the dairy and ranch hut were abandoned after Rubel died.

And that's why, like, this monster was left as a room free.

But as you asked, and as I mentioned, his wife, Mary, remarried in 1946 to Edwin Berger, who took over and managed the ranch.

And then the current owners purchased it in 1969.

And that's what they offer.

So like, yes, it's bed and garden.

The family was there.

If there was something haunting it, lurking there.

You would have think they would have seen it.

Yes, and you think they reported it or something.

And it wasn't like an abandoned piece of it.

It's weird.

Yeah, it doesn't match up.

There's all this stuff about the basements and the tunnels.

And I was like, are there even basements and tunnels?

I think there are some basements from the best I could tell.

But I couldn't, and it did sound like people who have gone there.

Was it normal to have basements in California though?

Well, probably, right?

Cause you probably have to deal with like, want to go to a basement for an hour, right?

Yeah.

I mean, I'm thinking like, like, Storm also, like someone was mentioning, and one of the sources was mentioning, like, the, if we're like in the 1920s now, there's probably a lot of like prohibition.

Oh.

A lot of funnels that are just for, yeah, for alcohol.

Yeah, that makes sense.

So, I don't know, there, so I mostly just was like, is there a basement?

And apparently there are, I think I said there was a basement in the dormitory.

There is some underground property, but everyone's just like, the child is underground is where the, is where the scientists did their experiments.

Okay.

So, that's all kind of all of the facts, but here's, here are my questions.

When did he start the creature building?

Oh, allegedly, he was building the creature before he left for World War II.

I don't have any-

So, he was doing that in the back.

So, the dairy farm's just a hot mess, and he's experimenting in the basement.

Maybe it's a hot mess because he is really a scientist and not a farmer.

I don't know.

Yes, he had the time in addition to building the state-of-the-art dairy, he's making a creature.

Yeah.

I don't think so.

The only reason why we think he's a scientist is because we think he's a spy.

So, yeah, I guess that is one of my points.

That is one of my points.

This sounds all over.

So, let's start with, do we have evidence that he's even a scientist?

That he's been a scientist.

Because his degree is not in anything science.

So, he has a bachelor's degree only.

I mean, only, but he went to Harvard.

Got a bachelor's, but he didn't get a PhD in whatever.

No, I don't think he's a scientist.

Bachelor's degree, from what I saw, was in chemical engineering.

Oh, well.

So, that's kind of impressive, but that's not.

But what was chemical engineering then?

You know what I mean?

Was it anything?

I don't know.

It's probably not the first thing.

Thank you for being that in the face.

Making a Frankenstein.

Yeah, no, I don't think this guy is a scientist.

He sounds like a stupid, rich guy.

And also, speaking of the monster, why half man, half sheep?

And also, when did they start calling it Billiwhack?

Well, he named the dairy, the Billiwhack Dairy, because it meant a place to put your hat up or something.

Oh, I've never heard of that.

And so, the Billiwhack was the name of the dairy.

And then that's where the monster gets its name.

So, man and sheep, because this was a dairy farm, I would have thought man and cow.

Bingo.

I'm like, first of all, yes, yes, yes, like, or man and bull.

Open a sheep farm.

I would have done man and bull because heifer is not scary.

Yeah.

So, that was like, first of all, is a sheep scary?

No.

A sheep aren't even that strong.

And number two, it's not like you're on a sheep farm where you have all this access to sheep.

So, the fact that it would be a half sheep, half man, seems like a stupid idea for your war monster.

Yeah.

Can you imagine that?

That's not terrifying at all.

Okay.

I don't think this is real.

And then, there is a story from the 60s about an elderly lady living on the property where she says that she held 43 trespassers at shotgun, at gunpoint with a shotgun, and called the sheriff on them.

And so, I guess the question is, supposedly this monster only targets young kids, or like, teenagers.

And I'm like, maybe they're all trespassing.

It's pissing off the homeowner.

And she's coming up with stories.

There's a lot of crowd, well, yeah, crowd.

Maybe the story started to scare them away.

I don't know.

It ran in a Halloween newspaper article.

Oh my God.

And maybe what these people are seeing now is like, they're getting, yeah, like crowd dispersal and stuff.

And they just think it's a monster.

Yes, but like the homeowners being like, get off our land.

And then it also said that the strip, the road where most of these sightings occur is also a road where there's a lot of drag racing.

So our people may be, people claim like, oh, something like my hood of my car got dented by a monster, but they're really, they're messing around.

Maybe they're dragged.

And then there is a Mexican folklore of Chivo Man, who is like, it's like a boogeyman that parents used to threaten their kids with.

I get it.

And so, you know, was this like, this is an area of California where there's a lot of migrant workers who are coming up from Mexico, so maybe they're bringing their lore with them.

And then it's kind of getting twisted and built on.

And then the one interesting thing I did see was my kind of last thought is that there is a goatman of Beltsville in Beltsville, Maryland, who is supposed to be a human-goat hybrid that roams the back roads of Maryland and is most known for attacking park cars of teenage lovers.

So I just thought that was interesting that there's also...

Goats aren't scary.

Why are they combining these random creatures?

I know.

And the story on that is that it was a scientist who worked at the Beltsville Agricultural Research Center, and he was doing experiments, and they went horribly wrong, and we have this goat man roaming in Maryland.

So it's like a very similar story.

Neither one of them really has proof proof.

The goat man.

Yeah, they're not creative names in any way.

Billiwhack's fun, but that's really because he had a creative dairy name, not yet a monster.

I don't think this is real.

You're not believing it.

No.

We don't think that August Rubel worked for the OSS.

We have no evidence of that.

I don't think we can say that.

I think he was just an unwise nepo baby, who got a lot of money young and didn't know what he was doing.

He could have been successful, I feel like, if he had a little bit of luck, how he was planning for the dairy farm.

I feel like that could have profited.

But probably can't spend $1.5 million on one bowl and not insure him.

Might as well get a mediocre bowl.

Yeah.

No, I'm like, I don't know.

Or just pay for some insurance.

It didn't insure it's exist then though?

Yeah, because this was around the time of the Titanic, right?

You're right.

Yeah, we talked about that.

I think the other thing too was that the OSS did not actually exist until 1940, as far as we know.

Oh, so like allegedly.

That could be a lie.

We might just not know.

Maybe it's been around for decades.

But the timing didn't line up that if he was in the late 1920s, early 1930s, experimenting for the OSS, but the OSS didn't actually exist for seven more years, that doesn't really track.

I don't think this is real, but I do want to go to the farm.

Okay.

Well, add it to it.

Will they do tours?

I don't think so.

People talk about going up there and sneaking up there.

I see some overhead photos.

I mean, it looks pretty run down and deserted.

They said that there's walls are missing from the property.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Not real.

Don't believe it.

Someday, when we go on tour and we have a lot of money.

Cheesecaves.

Well, we got to go to, I meant podcast tour.

Oh, yeah.

But we got to go to the UFOs, the Cheesecaves, we got to hunt Sasquatch.

Area 51.

We got to go to Squatch Fest.

Oh my God.

Squatch Fest.

I already forgot about Squatch Fest.

We have so much to do.

A lot of write-offs.

The Bermuda Triangle, we'll go to Bermuda.

I wonder what Lindsay believes that Sasquatch is real but is a fairy, a little fairy.

No, right.

So I wonder what she thinks.

What do you think?

So we have to ask her.

What's this monster called?

Billiwhack Monster?

Billiwhack Monster.

Yeah.

All right.

Billi is whack.

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