Squatch Watch: Is Big Foot Real?

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Bigfoot.  Sasquatch. Yeti. Skunk Ape.  Whatever name, we all grew up hearing stories of the mysterious large, hairy, bipedal creatures - creatures that have been spotted in every state in the United States and on almost every continent, yet their existence cannot be verified.  In the United States, Sasquatch sightings were first reported by Native Americansand persist today.  Are these creatures real?  What do we make of the photographs, video and audio recordings, hair samples, and tracks that have been observed and reported?  And if they are real, what are they?  Are they descendants of ancient apes?  Or are they an unclassified species of humans?

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Did you miss me?

You still just have two SchemeQueens.

When our even number era, even though it's just us, you know what I mean?

Yeah, no, next week, we're all new back together.

We'll be unified.

Cause you know what, we're celebrating next week.

Our birthday!

One year, we're one year old next week.

Where you been?

I have been traveling across America.

I've been in Nevada, I've been in Tennessee.

I dabbled in Dolly World, I nibbled in Memphis, you know?

And I think I found them, guys.

You found Elvis?

I think I found Elvis.

All right, well, hold that thought.

We have two fun guests.

Surprise!

Lindsay and Maureen.

So glad to have you.

Hi.

Today, we're talking.

Sasquatch.

Bigfoot.

Sasquatch.

The Biggin.

What do you guys call him?

Bigfoot.

Sasquatch.

Well, Lindsay and I, I was doing math in my head today.

We have been friends for like 15 years.

Oh my god.

We're kind of old.

And as long as I've known her, she's been a Sasquatch fan.

And I heard Maureen, you've had some experiences.

I've had a few run ins with them.

Oh my god.

So before we get deep into it though, everybody hit pause, share this episode with three friends whose middle name begins with E.

Thank you very much.

So is it time for our drink check?

Drink check.

What's your girl's drinking over there?

Oh jeez.

Well, I've got a combination.

I've got a little Mai Tai going on, and I've got a Kangen water chaser.

Do ask what Kangen water is, would you?

Yeah, I have no idea.

Do we still answer no?

I was just smiling and nodding.

So yeah, Kangen water, it's electrolyzed reduced water.

It's, yeah, it's alkaline.

It's got hydrogen clusters in it.

It's super hydrating and has a lot of health benefits, actually.

Does it taste good?

Oh, it's the purest ever.

It's ever really good.

Coming out of the sun.

If you ever get a Tinos to try it.

She's got grandma on it, who's fighting cancer.

Yeah.

It's supposed to be anti-cancer.

Oh, well, it's alkaline, so cancer can't live in an alkaline environment.

The purpose of it is it kind of brings your body back to alkaline and the things we eat and drink makes our body acidic, which causes a lot of disease.

Yeah.

Hello, Mai Tai.

She's counteracting the Mai Tai.

I'm a big fan of the Mai Tai.

It's a bit like Kate's Alley.

It is giving Kate.

I think she would like this.

Yeah.

You drinking the same over there?

I'm drinking a Half Dome Wheat Ale from Yosemite Valley.

Absolutely delicious.

Yeah.

Since I climbed it, I figured I should drink it.

Oh, heck yeah.

I was thinking when I was hearing your mom's back story, I was like, yes, and then she birthed a child who just wants to live in the woods also.

Sounds right.

Sounds very fitting.

Raised in the woods.

You bet.

We're having hot tatties, like a common denominator.

We've had this in the American times.

I don't believe it either.

Do you mean endless tea?

That's controversial.

Yeah, it is controversial, because bourbon boy usually makes them for us.

That's Kait's husband.

And I just thought it's so much bourbon.

Yeah, it turns it brown.

It's so good.

And then one time he was at his UTA weekend.

Okay, he was trying to make him.

And it wasn't right.

She couldn't find the tea, and she was texting him, like, where's your tea?

And he was like, I haven't put tea in my toddy in 10 years.

Yeah.

We're like, oh, had no idea.

So he's calling warm bourbon.

Yeah, it's just a lot of bourbon with a little lemon.

But that is a part of it.

That's how my great-grandma would drink it.

Bourbon, hot water, little lemon.

Yeah, I don't even know.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Is your great-grandma Irish?

And there's family pictures of her sitting in a rocker with five blankets on and a hot toddy.

What a woman.

Absolutely good.

We were asking what the name is, right?

Oh yeah, Sasquatch vs.

Bigfoot.

Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Yeti, Skunk Ape, whatever the name.

Skunk Ape.

Yeah, I will say, I just went to New Orleans, and we saw some Sasquatch merch, and that's what they were calling it down there.

That's Skunk Ape.

South, yeah.

That's so interesting.

So whatever name, we all grew up hearing stories of the mysterious, large, hairy, bipedal creatures, creatures that have been spotted in every state of the United States and on almost every continent.

Yet, their existence cannot be verified.

In the United States, Sasquatch sightings were first reported by Native Americans and persist today.

Are these creatures real?

What do we make of the photographs, video and audio recordings, hair samples, and tracks that have been observed and reported?

And if they are real, what are they?

Are they descendants of ancient apes?

Or are they an unclassified species of humans?

We're going to talk about it.

If you want, I could just like give you a little bit of my background.

Yeah, let's hear it.

Well, I was a forestry major, and so I've lived most of my life in timber communities, in the Cascade Mountains of Washington, and the Selkirk Mountains in Northern Idaho.

So small, remote places and spent.

If I wasn't sleeping at home, I was in the woods either hunting back country horsemen packing out into the woods, and I raised Lindsay fishing upper mountain lakes.

So yeah, I'm no stranger to the back country.

Of the Basin.

Oh, wait a moment.

Oh my gosh.

You're in for some stories.

Yeah.

All right.

So yeah, I'll get into a little intro.

I was telling Lindsay, I have like some some facts, and then you guys could interrupt if you have thoughts.

And at the end, we'll have you share your your stories, your closures.

Oh, you know, what I forgot to do is do we believe?

Well, I think we all believe.

Why are we here?

We're believers.

Well, usually, I don't believe Megan is a common non-believer.

Yeah, I would find it easier to believe if all of these sightings were like, yep, it's they've only been spot on the Pacific Northwest.

But the fact that we'll talk about it, they're like seen everywhere.

Well, they're human-like.

Makes it harder to believe.

So humans are everywhere.

But where do they come from?

And when I talk about where they come from, you're going to realize it doesn't really make sense.

Oh, I'm intrigued.

I need to know more.

Right now, I believe.

Also, though, it's possible he does exist in maybe the Pacific Northwest, and there have been fake stories in other places.

Everybody wants a piece of the pie.

Yeah.

That's a moneymaker.

Everybody wishes they had squatches, and so they call them, what are you, wood bushman?

Wood boogers?

And you got these squatches and stuff like that.

Yeah.

Bushman, that's what they call me in high school.

Yeah.

As I mentioned, Sasquatch is described as a large, muscular, bipedal creature measuring over seven feet and covered in dark hair.

If we believe the tracks, these creatures have feet measuring over a foot with a metatarsal joint unlike humans that allows for additional foot flexibility.

The creatures have no neck and long arms with human-like facial features.

They are mostly spotted on roads or near streams, and experts who believe in their existence estimate they live to be 30 to 50 years.

They live in nests that are tepee-like structures made from foliage.

They connect with howls, wood-knocking and throwing stones.

And what do they eat?

Apparently, they eat plants and meat, berries, leaves, nuts and fruit, also salmon, rabbit, elk and bear, and they have been known to hunt deer.

Do they have sharp teeth?

Does that sound like what you guys think?

Yeah, obviously.

Yes, if they're eating meat, they've got sharp teeth.

They've got teeth like ours.

Yeah, they really like deer.

Yeah, you're right.

So there's many regions throughout North America that have differentiated names from Bigfoot, as I mentioned.

Sounds like Canada.

They call them sasquatch.

You guys were kind of up there by Canada, right?

So US, we have sasquatch and Bigfoot.

There's also the skunk ape in Florida and other southern states.

Grassman in Ohio.

Ohio would have their own name.

The wood booger in Virginia.

Virginia has a name.

Wood booger?

The old man of the mountain in West Virginia.

Bushman.

Can you share with that?

Bushman?

Tree man and wild man.

I'm getting a T-shirt with that one.

I have an idea.

Have you guys watched the show we've referred to before in the podcast?

We love the show.

Mountain Monsters.

Yeah, Mountain Monsters.

Absolutely.

I love that show.

We were watching snippets of that before we started talking.

It's the squad, yeah.

It's the squad.

He's under the tree and some water gets in his eye.

He's like, it's the peon.

And he goes blind and it's so dramatic.

And then yes, the one where there were the Native Americans.

Yeah.

And he gets hypnotized.

Anyway, I'm not surprised that you guys have...

They kind of go a little overboard, I think, sometimes.

Oh, it's definitely theatrical.

Oh, absolutely.

There's always a hint of truth.

There's probably like five people in my life who would know what that show was.

You guys were at the first...

Of course we've watched that.

Three of them are here.

So within the United States, about one in ten people believe.

There have been over 10,000 reported Bigfoot sightings in the continental United States.

So about a third of all claims of Bigfoot sightings are located in the Pacific Northwest, with the remaining reports spread throughout the rest of North America.

The sightings predominantly occur in the Northwestern region of Washington State, Oregon, Northern California, and British Columbia.

But outside of Northern America, we have some different kind of species.

Yeti, yes.

The Yeti, the Yowie is like the Australian version of Bigfoot.

Yowie, I would call it.

The date back to the Aborigines, thousands of years.

But when I talk about how these maybe came to be, it doesn't make much sense because Australia has been isolated for thousands of years on this island.

So if we're thinking that like the Yeti or the Sasquatch kind of evolved and migrated, it doesn't really make sense.

Well, what about the squirrel breeds?

Also, do they have petroglyphs?

They might.

Don't the Aborigines have any petroglyphs?

Yeah.

Is there any like drawing on the rock?

Are there petroglyphs of Yetis?

Yes, definitely.

Of course.

The natives are like...

In the Midwest, there's...

These are professionals.

Oats poles with Sasquatches on them.

Do you believe in Pangea?

They could have the same breed that evolved.

True.

But where do they come from?

Again, what do we talk about?

If I believe, then I maybe believe they're in the Northwest.

From monkeys.

It makes sense where they come from, but these random islands...

Well, could be we were all one land at one point.

Maybe they were mer-squatches.

Yeah, they're squatches.

Now you're talking on language, lady.

There's also the year, which is a Chinese version of the Sasquatch.

It's supposed to be very close to Bigfoot in size and appearance.

Okay, we have in Mongolia, the Almas, in Sumatra, the Orange Pindex, and in South Africa, the Mepangori.

So to me, this is making it more convincing.

That they exist everywhere?

Yeah.

Where they come from, the Bigfoot Giganto theory suggested the Bigfoot or Sasquatch may be a descendant or relative of Gigantopithecus, which is an extinct genus of giant ape that lived in Asia up to 300,000 years ago.

That sounds about, see, this is what I'm talking about.

Yeah.

That's fat.

That's fat for us.

Yeah, that's hard-core.

That's true.

Proof-proof.

Yeah.

Okay.

Proponents of this theory argued that the sizing characteristics attributed to Bigfoot, such as the large footprints and the ape-like features, could be explained if it's a descendant, like through the lineage.

The theory is that the Gigantopithecus survived longer than previously thought, or perhaps they were like small and discovered populations, and they adapted, evolved, and now that's who we know to be Bigfoot.

There's another theory about a hominins, like the Homo sapiens, right?

So like the Neanderthals, who we know are close to succinct relatives, they lived in Africa around 2.7 to 1.2 million years ago.

They are known for their distinctive physical traits, including the robust skulls, the large teeth, which suggests they had a diet primarily composed of tough plant material.

They exhibit features like pronounced sagittal crests on their skulls, indicating strong jaw muscles.

These adaptations reflect their specialized feeding habits, setting them apart from early hominins, including the genus Homo.

So the problem with this though, is that the fossils of the Paranthropus are only found in Africa.

To nowhere else.

Oh, so they weren't found anywhere else.

Yeah, so how could they be all over the place?

Oh.

You have pangea, bitch.

Yeah.

Pangea, duh.

That's like the little, that's just like that it was all one big thing, right?

That's why you can see footprints across Russia and Alaska.

I thought that was Sarah Palin.

That's so funny.

Some suggest Neanderthal, Homo erectus or Homo heidelbergensis to be the creature, but like all the great apes, no remains of any of those species have been found in the Americas.

Bigfoot is alleged to live in regions unusual for a large non-human primate.

Usually those large primates would be found in the tropics of Africa and Asia, and we have no fossil records in the Americas.

So no Bigfoot remains, no evidence that they existed here in the past.

Philip Stevens, a cultural anthropologist at the University of Buffalo, summarizes scientific consensus as follows, defies all logic that there is a population of these things sufficient to keep them going.

What it takes to maintain any species, especially a long-lived species, is having a breeding population.

That requires a substantial number spread out over a fairly wide area where they can find sufficient food and shelter to keep hidden from all the investigators.

And then Jane Goodall, probably the most famous primatologist, has kind of given mixed theories.

At times she said, I'm sure they exist.

Later in her life, she said, well, maybe they don't exist, but I want them to.

So it is giving ape to me.

The point is that there's all these kind of crazy, crazy theories about where these could have descended from.

It makes sense if they evolved from something that was in South America and they were able to kind of migrate up.

Well, humans come from apes and we're everywhere.

Do we come from apes?

In my mind, we do.

In these, in our mind.

Well, we don't come from apes.

Apes and we come from one.

Evolved.

Yeah.

So and we're everywhere, but apes aren't everywhere.

So that's my backstory.

I have kind of a couple sightings, famous sightings, and I have a couple kind of debunked sightings.

But I want to hear from our guests next.

Yeah.

I need to hear some personal experiences.

I've heard we have some exposure.

Yes.

So tell us what we got wrong there in the history, what we got right, what you've seen.

Take it away.

Well, I can only speak for my experience.

I don't want to debunk anybody else's experience, really.

But like I told you earlier, I'm pretty much always in the woods, right?

I hunt and I'm familiar with the wild animals.

Yeah.

I live in the far north of Idaho in the Selkirk Mountains.

I'm familiar with bears and cougars, and I know cougar scream and their mating calls and how crazy that sounds.

So I guess my first encounter wasn't visual, but it was auditory.

We were hunting, me and my friend were hunting, and we were in the Cascade Mountains of southwest Washington right around Mount Adams, St.

Helens area, and it got dark, and so we were coming down the mountain, and we had stopped because it was just a full moon night.

It was pretty.

We got out of the car, and we were kind of chit-chatting.

Anyway, we were standing outside of the pickup truck, and we heard this scream.

It was something that I had never heard before.

Like I said, I'd heard cougars and stuff scream, and it just blew us away.

You know, we were like, we both looked at each other, and like, what the heck was that?

And it was coming from a ridge across from us.

So, we tried calling back.

Like, was it human-like?

Oh, absolutely not.

It was, and it was so loud.

I mean, considering it came from the ridge all the way across from us, it's like it echoed through the canyon.

And we just, we couldn't believe it because both of us were experienced hunters and backcountry people.

And we looked at each other and we were like, what would make something that loud?

You know, if it had been a cat or something, you know, it would have sounded far away.

But this was amazing.

There had always been stories in the area of sightings and caves in that area.

And so, yeah, we always wondered if that was it.

And we tried to mimic the call and get it to call us back.

And I guess we weren't very good at it.

It didn't.

Can we get a sample of some?

Can we get a rematch?

All right, let me see if I can remember where.

No, I think it was something like...

But, you know, louder, obviously.

Wait, I think you got me.

That's creepy.

I would have been scared.

And if you watch any of those Sasquatch shows, you'd hear them trying to call out to the Sasquatch in a similar manner.

They do.

I know our Mountain Boys do.

Yeah, they do.

Yeah, and if you've ever heard a mountain lion in mating season, it's a crazy sound, but nothing like that.

Absolutely nothing like that.

That did not give like cat to me.

Well, I mean, I trust it.

My lion gives cat.

I've always heard you're like a very experienced outdoors woman as you're telling us now.

So I kind of trust that you would recognize the normal and not normal sound.

Yeah.

I've hunted from Alaska to Manitoba, Canada, hunted bear and wolves.

And I'm not saying I'm an expert by any means, but I know what animals are out there.

And you're in woods that have no people.

You know what I mean?

Like, I've been to the woods.

I've been to, like, New Hampshire, right?

It's like all the leaf peepers.

Yeah.

But not the same vibes.

You're in, like, uncharted territory.

It's funny when you're out there, too, and you know that you're the only ones out there for miles and miles.

And when you hear something that is strange, it definitely piques your interest, and human nature just makes you want to figure it out.

What was it?

Did you have a sighting also?

No, I was remembering the water truck incident that you were finding.

Oh, yeah, that happened a couple of years ago.

I was working on a fire, and this is in northeast Washington state.

I contract with the government.

We do wildfires, and I run a water tender.

So again, you know, I'm just always out in the woods.

So we've been going up and down this road for probably a month or more.

I was going back to where we fill the trucks for water, and I mean, there's nobody around.

It's a dirt road, and you're just going down.

And right in the brush next to the road, I hear this whack on a tree.

And I'm like, did I just hear that?

So I stopped my truck and actually backed my truck up, and I'm looking out into the brush, like what would have made, what would have done that, right?

To be loud enough to be heard over her huge water pump.

It's a Kenworth W900, and it's a semi-truck full of water.

So of course, I didn't see anything, and the brush was very thick, but it's things like that.

Your mind as a human, we try to rationalize everything.

So I'm like, okay, only a person or a Sasquatch could have picked up a limb.

Bears don't do that.

I mean, pretty much thinking there's no people out there whacking trees, right?

For what purpose?

Freak out the water tender up there?

Yeah.

Yeah, Lindsey's what he taught me.

They whack trees to communicate.

And I also think it's a threat.

I think it's a way of them saying, hey, back marks new clothes to me.

Yeah.

And this is, I think, the most, when I was the most scared.

This is reciting, right?

Yeah.

And this was actually in my backyard pretty much, right?

We have a tree stand.

It's on a creek.

It's in the mountains.

And down the creek, probably half a mile from the house, we put a tree stand in the trees.

And I had bought a Nikon camera, and we'd put out some dog food and bacon or whatever.

I was trying to lure in a bear.

I wanted to get some bear pictures with my new camera.

That's crazy.

How many people are like, we're trying to attract the bears.

I would like more bears in my yard.

Yes, but okay.

Unbearable.

I'm actually a huge bear fan, but they're amazing animals.

So anyway, we were up in this tree stand for quite a while, and we are up there just silent as we could be.

Just quiet, quiet, quiet.

I would say two, possibly three hours went by and there was nothing, right?

And so we started getting a little bored.

We started whispering to each other.

And this is where it gets weird.

We're whispering and chatting, and across the creek, through the trees, I hear like this, like a heavy foot.

Something had jumped out of a tree onto the ground.

And I'm like, did you hear that?

And then we started talking just a little bit louder, you know, or just kind of, and I kind of could see through the trees and I could see brown fur and I'm thinking, oh, it's got to be a moose, right?

But then it's jumping to the tree.

So I'm thinking a moose doesn't jump out of the tree, you know, your mind is trying to rationalize what you heard.

So I'm thinking, well, if it was a cougar in the tree, it wouldn't have made that much noise.

Cows are really pretty scum.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So whatever jumped out of the tree was heavy.

As we were talking a little bit louder, like, what did you hear that?

What do you think, you know, what was that?

And I said, do you see that?

There it is.

And through the brush, you could see the brown fur.

Did you have binoculars?

I did not, but it was like, I would say from where we were to, where it was, was maybe 75 yards.

Not very far away.

So the next thing I hear is, if you can imagine, like, a baseball bat hitting a tree, or, like, somebody picking up a stick and hitting a tree, this was like an 8-inch log hitting a tree so hard, it made a noise that we both, like, jumped in our skin because it was crack.

I mean, it was not a small limb.

It was huge.

It's really hard to explain if you've never heard something like that, like the size of a stick hitting a tree, or the size of a bigger limb hitting a tree, or a 2x4, or whatever, you know?

And so we were at this point, it just put the chills in us.

I was, and you could still see them, like, you could still see the fur.

I could just see fur through the trees moving.

And there was never, like, if a deer or a moose was there, you're going to hear the trombone and the dud of the feet going away.

And branches breaking.

Branches breaking because they don't care where they step.

It was silent after that.

It was silent after that.

And we skied up there for a long time, because I was like, holy, well, it was a strange thing.

And I'm a believer.

We've got pictures.

My husband and I have pictures of footprints in the snow.

And so, yeah, I was like, well, we always go armed.

But we stood up there for a long time and waited and then came down.

And the next day, I did go out there to look for sign, like looking for whatever log hit that tree.

So there was like, it probably was, I don't know, probably eight foot long by six inches around next to a tree, where I figured what I saw was standing.

And I couldn't see any footprints in the duff, but you couldn't see when it was standing, if it looked bipedal or if it had four.

All I could see was this fur blob.

Reddish-shet.

Reddish-brown fur kind of moving back and forth.

That's so creepy.

Do you think they're just really intelligent and that's why they're so quiet?

Absolutely.

Well, I think they're quiet because they're running through the brush in moccasins, right?

Your feet.

Your feet are not going to make noise if you're a barefoot.

You're not going to make noise through the brush like a hoofed animal.

Right.

Of course.

I mean, it sounds like you felt fear, right?

Oh my gosh.

Yeah.

I mean, I can't even explain the amount of noise.

I totally felt it was a threat, and I think, I don't know if he knew we were in the tree, but when we started whispering and stuff, I think that bothered him, and he jumped out of the tree, and then he gave us that whack, you know, with that log against the tree.

But the force behind that was so amazing.

It's just really hard to explain.

I wish I would have had a recording of it, because it was so amazingly loud, and then clearly there was nobody else out there with you.

Oh, no, no.

Absolutely.

I mean, even if there had been another human there, you would have heard them, right?

You know, humans make noise, and they don't lock the brush silently.

And I know for a fact, if I wanted to be invisible in the woods, I could imagine being a Sasquatch.

They're smart enough not to be detected, and they know, well, they probably know that we're dangerous to them, right?

Yeah, so I think they're hiding from us is because they are protecting themselves from hunters or even, yeah.

Well, what animal wants to stick around?

There's no wild animal that does.

No, they're just maybe smarter than...

I think they're smarter.

Like the dolphins, right?

Almost as smart as humans, but not really.

Well, you know, your experiences actually sound pretty similar to some of the stories I've found.

Lindsay was telling me, though, that you guys, as like a family, used to go hunt Sasquatch.

Well, go out into the woods and go for a walk and see what you can find.

It was mostly just hunting, but like, you know, if you ran across a Sasquatch, winner, winner.

I'll tell you, it's really quite common.

You talked earlier about their little caves.

Well, the way that they stack logs to make a shelter, we got a little teepee.

It's not uncommon as you're walking through the mountains to find those.

Yeah, not at all.

And you will find these trees, I would say that they'd be like two and a half to three inches in diameter, broke off to make these.

It was otherwise a healthy tree.

Why would it break off at about eight feet to bend over like that?

Because I always try to rationalize it.

Did wind do that?

I'm always trying to make sense, blame it away, and debunk it, right?

And sometimes you're like, that looks so much like a shelter.

How would that happen naturally?

And so your mind is trying to like, okay, so if this happened or that happened, and you're like, there's no way.

Yeah.

I don't know.

You're selling me.

Yeah.

I'm like, I'm.

Well, come up and visit.

We have a Sasquatch Festival every year.

Yeah.

And Medellin Falls.

Medellin Falls, Washington.

I think this year it's June 15th or something.

Maybe we'll have to go to UFOs.

Yeah.

We'll go Roswell and then we'll go up to Washington.

And then at of course.

Hey, put it on your calendar.

Because truly, it's amazing.

You'll get real-life encounters from people there.

And the mountain men guys are there sometime.

Oh, yeah.

Swing from the show?

Like burly bearded men?

Yeah, absolutely.

That's what I'm talking about.

She's still at the old West Virginia.

I was like to mingle from this show.

Do you think my friend, your soulmate, is a Sasquatch hunter?

Oh my God.

I don't know if that's my soulmate, but that could be a fun hobby on the weekends.

Let's go hunt Sasquatch.

What if your soulmate is a Sasquatch?

He's ginger, he's large, he's furry.

I mean, that might be a little too hairy for me.

Sleep in teepees?

Sleep in teepees?

That sounds cold.

And like sleeping in a teepee in the Pacific Northwest, I like my heat.

I've seen Twilight.

I know how cold it gets.

Colleen is well-traveled, but she has never been west.

She's never been west of the coast.

Yeah, I've never been northeast.

Well, if you guys want to cheer it's three, and she got to come up.

Uno, reverse, she's never been northeast.

Well, also, though, like, Lindsey just like PRNs.

So we could just like travel for a month.

Oh, that could be absolutely fun.

Absolutely.

We could all fall in the name of the podcast.

Yeah.

The write-off trip sounds like a wrap to me.

I don't want to just talk about Colleen.

Here's some famous ones.

But let me give you some of the big ones, the famous ones.

Yep.

First of all, of note, we know that indigenous cultures from around the world, I think you guys referenced this earlier, the cave paintings, right?

So since the 1500s, Spanish explorers and Mexican settlers told stories of these large, hairy creatures stalking their camps.

In 1721, Jesuit priests living with the tribe in Mississippi reported sightings of a loud, hairy creature that stole livestock.

In 1929, an Indian agent, JW.

Burns, published a collection of stories about sightings in the British Columbia.

So hundreds of years, people have been reporting seeing some kind of large furry creature.

Interestingly, do you know which president?

I bet you guys do.

Do you know which president spotted Sasquatch?

Oh, me and Teddy Roosevelt.

That's what I was going to say.

Isn't he the one who got shot in the chest?

He did.

He got shot in the chest.

Yeah, and his notebook saved them.

And he still gave his speech.

Don't you understand what he's saying?

Okay, I just was like, how poor and naive Colleen, and Colleen knew exactly what to tell.

I am loser.

Yeah, he has a name.

He has a difference in Teddy.

He has like a-

Theodore Roosevelt?

Do you believe Colleen?

Rough Rider.

Well, the Rough Rider were the group, right?

He was a Rough Rider that was not his nickname.

He's got a lot of nicknames.

The Colonel.

I call him-

What do you call him?

Wild Man.

That's a Bush man.

So President Teddy Roosevelt, he published this book, The Wilderness Hunter in 1893, and in what chapter he recounted an encounter he heard from a fellow hunter in the remote wilderness of the American West.

The hunter described a terrifying experience where he and his companions encountered a large ape-like creature while hunting in the mountains.

The creature, which was later interpreted by some as a precursor to Bigfoot, attacked their camp, killing one of the men and terrifying the others.

According to the story, the creature was so powerful that was able to overpower the hunters, leaving them in a state of fear and confusion.

Bigfoot was first named Bigfoot in 1958, when 18-inch human-like footprints were found deep in the mud in the Six Rivers National Park.

They also reported a 450-pound oil drum that was being moved without explanation.

It was like a logging camp, and the loggers began calling the mysterious creature Bigfoot.

Accounts were published in the newspaper, giving widespread traction to the name.

But 2002, family members of Ray Wallace, who was one of those workers, found a collection of large car feet in the basement.

So it's been debunked.

It was all a hoax.

At least the story that gave Bigfoot the name Bigfoot was a hoax.

They think he was just trying to scare away thieves, and he was inspired by a group of foresters in the 1930s in Toledo, Washington, who carved pairs of large feet.

They used wood to carve large feet and create footprints in the mud to scare the huckleberry pickers away from the Gifford National Forest.

That's disappointing.

The Gifford Pinshot National Forest?

Sometimes I just skip a word when I don't know how to pronounce this.

It's really funny, but that's where I was when I heard those calls.

I was very mad.

And then October 20th, 1967, Patterson and Gimlin were filming a Bigfoot docudrama in Northern California, and they captured a 60-second alleged Bigfoot video.

So I think this is like the famous video, right?

The Patterson-Gimlin video.

On a river or whatever.

Yeah, but most people think that was a hoax.

Some people think it was just misidentified animals.

It could have been a bear walking upright, a wall upright bear.

Maureen is nodding no.

No, no, no.

What a bear hunter here.

She loves bears.

She's attracting bears.

While walking upright, an adult black bear would stand roughly 5 to 7 feet, grizzly bears roughly 8 to 9 feet.

So there was a comment in one of these documentaries that a lot of these sightings do occur in places where bears exist.

But again, if I'm going to buy into this, and Maureen is kind of selling me here, but if I'm going to buy into this, I'm going to have to believe that, like, I mean, not every sighting is real, right?

But there's probably a lot of these that confused me.

There's also theories trying to get famous.

There's also theories that some of these sightings could be like escaped apes from zoos and maybe these little apes are making like little many little colonies.

Well, hold on, what zoo just had a bunch of escaped monkeys?

South Carolina.

Carolina.

They will never be able to lock their door.

Or the apes on the zoo or?

I think it was about a research facility.

So they're angry apes.

This is like Planet of Apes.

Yeah, we got like a whole other episode.

Yeah.

Well, that's actually because they do say that they think that maybe some of these areas where there are sightings like in the southeast, where it's hot and humid, know that like those, we could maybe explain away some of these sightings as like escaped apes, but like they're not going to be able to survive in all of the climates in which there are reported sightings.

No.

And then there's also some, unfortunately, maybe some of these people could be humans in disguise or just mixed up like confused for humans.

There have been cases of humans getting shot when someone thinks that they are.

Well, I could see somebody in one of those like hunting.

I could see that maybe.

Yeah.

Maybe they just identify a Sasquatch because that's the world we live in.

That is the world we live in.

If you are not raspy.

That's the world we used to live in.

You're supposed to only call it the neutral foot.

I never buy that.

These like post Civil War sightings could have been like Civil War vets who just like went to the mountains.

Everybody is always trying to debunk it, right?

Yeah.

Even legit sightings, people are trying to debunk them and trying to make people look like they're crazy.

And so that's why I was just thinking about it.

But the aliens, a lot of people-

Well, look at us now.

Look at us now.

A lot of people won't talk about it because they're going to be called crazy in their local newspaper.

They can go, yeah, I mean, again, yeah, you are speaking to us.

And then, you know what, in like 50 years, they go, oh, we're going to defile this information.

And it was all real.

And people are going to go, who cares?

Right.

We know that already.

I do have some sightings that were not debunked.

Let's see, 2012 in Quincy, Florida, there was a father, son, Stacey Brown Jr.

and Sr., military vets.

We love our vets, right?

Salute to Lindsey.

They were casting out with their thermal camera, hoping to capture Bigfoot.

And they did.

So they found a guy who was like, it wasn't wearing any clothing.

He had no neck.

He was hunched over.

His arms and legs were bulkier than humans, but they did not match any other animal that we know of.

Like the legs were shorter than humans, but longer than apes and gorillas.

They checked the local zoos.

There were no escape primates.

They thought there was like a seven foot tall creature.

He just kind of like escaped behind some trees, but they were never able to really debunk this.

And again, when they looked back, the Seminoles, the Florida natives from Mac on the Day, had written about a creature that they called the protector of the forest.

Oh my gosh.

Skunk ape.

A skunk ape?

Yeah, that's a skunk ape.

Well, yes.

Why do they call it that there?

They stink to high heaven.

They smell bad.

It's almost like you've done this before.

Have you smelled them?

I have not.

I was 75 yards away, so no, I haven't.

I'd like to smell them.

So that is the deal that they call them the skunk ape, because they claim that they're very odiferous.

They hang out in these methane packed bogs, and there was a lady in Florida who was like, someone keeps stealing my apples off my porch.

The gosh darn skunk ape.

Yeah, and she set up a camera, and she captured still photos on the hunting camera of the skunk ape stealing her apples.

That doesn't mean it's real, but they haven't been able to debunk it.

I had a theory for a while, because there was this part in the ER at the hospital that was smelling for weeks.

We couldn't figure out what it was.

We changed the mattresses on the gurneys.

We mopped the floors.

And it was bad in there.

And I was like, you know what?

What if Sasquatch is small like a fairy?

And he's just roaming around in the ceilings, and that's why we can't find him.

But then how would you explain all these sightings?

Yeah, well, I would have fixed it if it was a fairy.

Fairies can transform.

What if it was baby Squatch, and they just deposited the babies at the hospital, and then like went off to find...

What if it was somebody with that gas?

They can transform open wounds and fetuses.

That's like C diff.

C diff.

Lindsay works in the ER, so she doesn't know what that smells like.

In 2009, in the Appalachian Mountains in Virginia, Chuck Newton and his son captured a hairy bipedal creature crossing a stream.

He was seven feet tall.

Cherokees in this region had also described this hairy-looking human, and the only bipedal animal in that area is bears, and they kind of fact-checked that it wasn't a bear.

This guy had a very lanky walk, unlike a bear.

So there's a saline.

Vicious.

In 1990, the Blue Mountains, Washington, Mill Creek in the southeast border, you know where that is?

Yeah.

So Paul Freeman, who was a US patrolman, found over 100 prints two years later in the deduct spring area.

Familiar?

He captured video evidence and more tracks.

In 1996, in the Five Points area, again, more tracks.

So this guy was just like a professional hunter.

These tracks were all like 14 inches long, and they have again this weird like metatarsal joint that humans don't have this like bend in their foot, and it was very deep.

They indicated that it was heavier than just like a normal human's footprints.

So the interesting sight is not debunked.

And then in 2022, Fort Sam Houston Park, Void Sims was on a month-long expedition to record wildlife sounds, and he has dozens of recordings.

He said this forest is like a real hot spot for sightings.

He used all these recordings of sounds that again, kind of like you described, could not, did not sound like other animals.

There were some theories that maybe it was a coyote, but I mean, it sounds like you were clear.

Coyotes have a very particular sound.

Or he said, I've heard of coyotes was not a coyote.

I still like it, too.

Wild dogs.

And then you guys probably know about the sierra sounds, and I think those are the most famous audio recordings.

Yes, that's what I was trying to tell you about.

We were talking about it today.

The sierra screams.

Oh my gosh.

Do you think there's like tribes of Squatch?

That's what it sounded like.

I can tell you that that gentleman was at the SquatchFest, and he did a presentation on what happened up there where they were at, where they heard that.

It's fascinating.

It's literally, literally fascinating.

Put it on your schedules.

June 14, 15, 2025.

Yeah, mom wants to show you a footprint.

Let's see it.

Okay.

Are you ready?

Yeah.

This was taken by my neighbor, who also is in the woods all the time.

You guys can see that.

Oh my God.

It's just like they're describing, where it's like kind of like the valley.

Yeah.

Right.

Well, it was bipedal, where you said that about four toes?

It's there's five toes.

The one closest to the camera.

I see that.

Yeah.

That's so interesting.

Oh my goodness.

Yeah.

But you can see where the heel, and then hang on, there's another one, and it shows her foot next to it.

Oh, wow.

That's huge.

That's huge.

Okay.

But you know, it's in the snow, so it's a little melted.

It's going to look better bigger than it actually looks.

Yeah.

That looks like it could be.

You show an idea.

Can you send those to us?

Yeah.

We need this for the gram.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, you were asking if they live in packs, and I think if they only live to be 40 to 50 years old, I mean, that we were re-producing.

Yeah.

Where are the babies?

You know what?

I have never seen a baby's watch.

I am so glad you asked.

Yeah.

Tell me about the children.

Because I have a note on why are there no baby Sasquatch.

I saw a picture of a baby Sasquatch, and I think it was Survivorman.

Oh, I love Vinif Show.

I love Vinif Show.

He was amazing.

He was so good.

Yeah.

We did an episode one time where he went up into Western Canada.

Yeah.

In search of Sasquatch.

He was so good.

He had a fun one.

So there is one sighting of a baby.

Only one.

In 1997, excuse me, in the Catskill Mountains in New York.

And it was bipedal animals, it was swinging in the trees, and they were saying that the branches wouldn't have held a human, so it had to be lighter than a human, that was a baby Sasquatch.

And there looked like there was an adult down below.

And so people were not for sure if this wasn't a bear or not, but this is the only kind of like document of potential sighting.

But after we were like, you know, it's interesting that we really don't have baby sightings.

Yeah.

You know who else we don't see babies?

What?

You know.

Dull mermaids.

Pigeons.

Oh, yes.

You never see a baby pigeon.

No baby pigeons.

Only ever see adult grown pigeons.

But why we decided, so we debunk this, right?

Because in our birds aren't real.

We did.

That it's like the pigeons are not allowed out of their nest until they're like...

Oh, so like the babies are...

And so the theory would be, is it the same thing here that like...

Yeah, but I've seen a baby drop.

Like primates don't like to like leave their young.

So they're just severely hidden.

They're just running around on their back the whole time.

They're all together.

I was just thinking they were like staying at home, protecting their little...

I didn't even think about that.

Like kangaroo style.

They're just holding on to the kid.

Which was a theory.

Maybe they do that too.

Well, that was there, but when I thought...

Hold on, spider monkey.

Yeah, when they thought the one guy was, the baby was swinging in the tree, the mom was below, they were like, that's kind of far away for primates to like be from their young.

So yeah, I also, my last kind of fun fact was this theory that perhaps the dog face boy from Barnum and Bailey's, they know what I'm talking about, was a sapphawatch.

Oh, like a runt, runt of the little.

Do you guys have any other facts, stories, anything I missed?

No personal other stories than that.

That's pretty good for one lifespan.

But I would like to say to all your listeners, if they're interested in sasquatch, definitely check out the sasquatch festival in Medellin Falls, Washington.

Oh yeah, we're going.

We're coming.

June 14th and 15th, 2025.

I bet you there's gonna be some kangen water there.

Tell you what, it's very remote little town.

So if you plan on going.

Get on it early.

Get on it.

Well, if you're gonna stay in the town, there's some bed and breakfasts and stuff like that.

Camping.

We just like pitch a tent, right?

Yeah.

Seriously, you can pitch a tent and go to the festival and get all squatched up and then go pitch a tent.

I love this.

With your wood booger?

Oh, your bushwhacker, what was the old one?

Bushman.

We'll find a bushman.

I can't wait to work on my squatch sounds.

You guys should invent like the bird calls.

You guys should invent like a squatch call.

Okay.

Well, what do you think now?

Are you sold?

You were sold to begin with.

I think they're out there.

Yeah.

They're out there, you guys.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Speaking from experience.

I think some kind of creatures out there.

Yeah.

There's something out there that you could log and whack it against a tree.

Do you want to take over for Kaiten?

What should the people do?

Okay.

So I'm going to do my Kaiten impersonation.

Roll on down, leave us a like, toss us a follow, give us five stars.

Of course, if you think we're worthy of that.

And share it with your friends and family.

Thank you guys for joining us.

Yeah, we love having guests.

Yes, we'll have to have you back soon.

Yeah, we'd love that.

And you guys have an open invite.

North Idaho, come on out.

There you go.

Yeah, but we can do a vlog and go to Squatch Fest and record live work group.

Absolutely.

Let's do it.

That would be hilarious.

All right, we'll just set up the table.

And so much fun.

Yeah.

Thanks, guys.

Bye.