Philadelphia Experiment

**Discussion begins at 4:30**

During WW2, Einstein may have been working with the US Navy to utilize his unified field theory to bend light allowing ships to disguise themselves from enemy U boats.  In October 1943, the USS Eldridge was allegedly stationed at a naval shipyard in Philadelphia, and witnesses report it became invisible to both radar and the naked eye.  Following the initial experiment, it was rumored to have teleported hundreds of miles away to Norfolk, VA then back to Philadelphia in a matter of minutes.   There are claims that this left crew members fused to the bulkheads, vaporized, caught on fire, rematerialized inside out, or became insane with disorientation.  What do you think happened?  

Transcript

Hey, foil heads, thanks for joining us again. Drink check. Guys, what are we drinking?

Okay. I am drinking a Waterloo Cherry Limeade. 

That’s my favorite flavor of Waterloo!

It's so good. 

Ias drinking it first. I got her her one after.

She did. She did. I appreciate it. Servants heart.

I just, I have to reference my childhood days at Sonic. Shout out Crushed dice in a cup. Cherry Limeade.

I've never been to Sonic.

if we make enough money off this podcast, we'll travel somewhere where you can get yourself. A Sonic drink.

I have never been to Sonic

Travel to the south of Maryland. Right?

I think Sonic is fine, but nothing slaps like a Sonic drink.

Cherry Limeade. That's all I want. 

That styrofoam cup, the red straw, the ice pellets. 

I've tried to recreate it. Megan got me the Sonic hard seltzers. They don't hit the way I imagine it would.

Yeah. We'll set you up. I personally am double fisting. I've got a Diet Coke and I'm drinking… I'm trying to get through… I know that fall is over, but I'm trying to get through the pumpkin beer I got in the fall. So I'm drinking a Pumpkin Party from Lone Pine. Shout out to Lone Pine Brewery in Maine.

I want you to tell me about when you bought this beer, Megan.

I do buy my pumpkin beers in August, because if you wait until October, you can't find pumpkin beer. So that's what I was told. You got to buy the fall beer before you're ready to actually drink the beer. 

A pumpkin still slaps in the winter though,

All year round, in my opinion. Also, pine candles all year round.

Oh, all year round.

All year round. I would like to live in a pine tree. Maybe. Maybe

Well guys,

What are we talking about today? 

Well, I want to thank you all for sticking with us. Any updates, anything to talk about?

I'm wearing a Santa sweatshirt.

I am about to start my second to last semester of grad school guys. And I can not wait.

We can also not wait for you to be done. 

Yeah. Stress ball.

We cannot wait. Still suffering. It's day 383 of grad school. I am still crying. 

Anyways, what are we talking about today, Megan, as she sips her pumpkin beer. 

Yeah, sorry. Today we are talking about the Philadelphia Project.

Philadelphia Project. Yeah.

I had no idea what this was.

I had no idea what this was until  you sent it over and then I was like, holy…

Well, full disclosure, this is,

Shout out. Philadelphia Eagles. Go Birds. E-A-G-L-E-S.

Eagle. Fly, Eagles. Fly.

Go. Taylor's boyfriend's brother. Woohoo. 

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

If they're still together at this point. Oh yeah,

They're end game. Yeah. So yeah, Philadelphia Project. Full disclosure. I only selected this because next week we're going to be doing the Montauk project, which…

I also have no idea what that one's about. 

Which is really the inspiration for Stranger Things. 

Stranger things. Were their children that could move things with their mind that we're being experimented on?

Full circle. 

Now, I don't read the group chat,

But we got to dip our toes in with Philadelphia Project. Get a little background, meet the characters. They're the same characters we're going to see next week.

So here we go. So here is our conspiracy…

Einstein was working for the US Navy during World War II to help develop conventional weapons. Some theorized, however, that was a cover for his real research, utilizing his unified field theory to bend light, allowing ships to disguise themselves from enemy U-boats. In October, 1943, the USS Eldridge, which was allegedly stationed at a naval shipyard in Philadelphia, and witnesses reported, became invisible to both radar and the naked eye. Following the initial experiment, it was rumored to have teleported hundreds of miles away to Norfolk, Virginia, then back to Philadelphia in a matter of minutes. There are also suggestions. They traveled back in time by 10 minutes, although we've also seen some reports that perhaps they traveled forward in time to various parts of the United States. 

And by forward it's like years.

Yeah, like the seventies. Yeah. There are claims that this left crew members fused to the bulkheads, vaporized caught on fire, rematerialized inside out or insane. The crew members became insane with disorientation.

That's insane. 

Wait, this is wild.

That is wild. 

So what do you guys think?

Okay, first of all, immediately freaked off the bat. 

Could this have happened? 

You know, I believe in time travel.  The time space continuum is real.

There's a reason I'm wearing a tinfoil hat right now. 

Yeah.

This first of all, Philadelphia, shady place, heart goes out. One love, brotherly love.

Yeah. Come on. Birds.

But yeah, go birds.

But Philly is a shady place, and it could happen. Also did not know that Einstein was alive during World War ii.

Ooh.

I thought on, I literally thought he was alive during the time of…

We have a fact check on what year he was born? Because he's kind of a little bit like Picasso in a way where you have no concept where he falls in the time. Hold on, hold on.

March 14th, 1879. Oh, a Pisces.

But when did he die?

Hold on. Are we confused on his age?

1955. He died in 1955. I'm sorry. Did he time travel to the future to work on this project? I'm just about to say, hold on. Are we confused by his age on purpose? Was he already time traveling?

Oh, like a Doctor Who scenario.

Yeah. Maybe. He's already like, he was born in the 1800.

That's so weird to me that he was alive during World War II because Picasso was too, and we all know he had a weird brain.

Wait. We do know that everyone who follows Dr. Who knows that the doctor changes. Right? What if Picasso…

I thought you were going to say Einstein…

And both of them, Einstein were like, the doctor 

I’m shook.  I'm like, I cannot believe he was born in the 1800s. Alright, so we got that fact checked. Okay.

So Einstein was helping America during World War II.  We know this is a fact that Einstein was working with the United States during World War II to help develop some weapons.

E equals mc squared.

Yeah, but was he doing more suspicious things? 

Oh My God. Einstein has a what?

A little Freak. Yeah. He's got a dark era little freak. He's in his dark era right here. He's on the side of the sth.

I would just like to point out that Kait references something nerdy. Every single podcast,

Hashtag Nerd alert. It's okay. We love it.

Just like you find a reason to get connected to something. Are they all connected for a reason? 

Yeah, Man.

Down a rabbit hole. So let me tell you guys about the players here.

Okay? Right. Okay.

So the way this whole thing starts, the way that this has now a story that we're even talking about in, I was trying to do the math there like 80 years later. In 1955, anonymous tips were sent to the Office of Naval Research via notes in a book written by MK Jessup. So MK Jessup, we'll hear about him I'm sure in future episodes as well. He was like kind of a sci-fi UFO author. Okay. Okay. So he had this UFO book, UFO, the case for the UFO.

So he probably would've been a listener to our podcast. 

Oh, he would've  been a guest. He might've sent us some nasty hate mail.

I can't wait to get our first hate mail.

Okay, well, we've probably already got some at this point.

Thanks.

Thanks for the hate mail, guys. So anyway, he had written this book about the UFOs, the case for the ufo and this,

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's definitely future episode. 

This book is mailed to the Office of Naval Research with notes in the margins. So, the Navy reaches out to Jess and he says, oh yeah, I got a book like that too. I recognize these notes and this handwriting, they're from this merchant Marine named Carlos Allende which I think is not really his real name, but we're going to go by that Carlos. And so these notes are all about this Philadelphia experiment. What had happened? So I'll get a little more into it, but let's focus on Jessup right now. So Jessup is like, I think I want to investigate this now. I'm getting calls from the Navy. We're getting all this mail. Let's see what's up. And then in 1959, he calls his friend, he goes, oh my gosh, I found something. We got to meet. We got to meet and talk about this. He makes an appointment to meet with his friend.  The following day, the day he's supposed to meet his friend, he is found dead in his abandoned car. 

Shut up 

In Coral Gable, Florida. Shut up. What engine? Running a hose running from the exhaust into the window. Jessup is dead. 

Wait a second. Like a suicide?

Suicide. Murder.

Murder.

Who knows?

Ew. That's giving murder vibes. 

Yeah. Oh my God. I mean even, I'm sorry, what year was this? 19 what?

1959.

Can they fingerprint shit in that time?

No. No.

Wow.

So I mean, I will say I did watch a documentary, which will be sure to cite in the show notes, and his daughter, Jessups daughter was on it. And she even said herself, she's like, he had just been getting divorced. He also got some backlash from this UFO book. But as far as I knew, he wasn't depressed. But even she is like, I can't even really say. He certainly had stressors in his life,

But mental health wasn't really talked about then either. 

I mean, even his own daughter is undecided. Was he murdered or did he commit suicide?

It sounds very suspicious.

Yeah. Hey, I'm going to meet you today and tell you what I found, but also I don't show up and I'm dead.

How did he communicate it? Like a letter to his friend?

I mean, I think the telephone did exist.

Oh, I forgot about the telephone. 

Alexander Bell. Shout out.

Yeah. Love that guy. 

Yeah. Forgot about the telephone, right?

Was it a telegram? I was like, was it a letter In the mail? 

It was a handwritten letter that was brought by Horse and Pony Express. ‘

Did they chisel it into rock?

Clearly the takeaway so far is that we have no comprehension of the various eras. 

How did people communicate? 

No one was a history major here, so,

Alright, that's &*(^ed up that he died.

That's Wild. 

That's just kind of how this story became a story. And it's already right, we're starting off with a min bender, Right? Okay, but back to the story. So who is this guy Allenday, who sent these notes to the Office of Naval Research and kind of made this a thing? So he was a deckhand on the USS Andrew Forsyth, and he claimed that he was sitting there. He's working on the deck and he looks over and he sees this green fog engulf the ship, the USS Eldridge, and then it disappeared into green fog before his eyes.

I'm trying to understand why there would be green fog.

So the only, when I heard green, the first thing I thought of, no, this is not,

Sorry. The tinfoil hats to rattle a little bit.

What's that? The green flash when the sun is setting.

Oh yeah.

I was thinking maybe they're just like, can you be close to that?

Yeah. Well there's also, well there's in the St Elmo’s Fire is the other thing that people were like, it could have been, and that's where the story starts.

But he was on the boat.

He was on a different boat, the USS Forsyth 

Oh. and he saw it and he saw this disappear. He then later reported witnessing a bar brawl between sailors before they literally vanished into thin air. These are like the sailors from the USS Elridge.

I'm getting chills.

So anyway, he sends these out, he's like, I saw this thing happen. So now everyone's like, we got to find this guy who we think sent these notes. Let's track him down. But this guy's a very challenging person to track down. He's constantly moving. He's very difficult to locate. In 1969 after…

With Chiseled Rock? I was like, they couldn’t get ahold of him even by chiseled rock?

You were thinking he's teleporting. I'm thinking they had no phones.

Maybe he's traveled in time somewhere. So that's why it's hard to track down. I like that theory better than mine.

So in 1969, sorry, I can’t guys.

We’re wearing foil hats right now.

Well, one of us is, it's not me not pointing any fingers

So no one can find this guy. In the meantime, people are writing stories about this whole thing and it kind of pisses him off. He is like, wait, this was my story, you're all profiting, so he comes forward in 1969 and he says, I made the whole thing up. It was a hoax. What? I know, what a letdown. But the not over.

So years later he's like, I'm living and dying by this thing. 

And then he is like, wait guys, maybe I could profit. 

Yeah. Okay. So then years later when Charles Berz published a book about the Bermuda Triangle, that'll be on another episode.

I've love the Bermuda talk with that one.

Charles Berlitz discusses this alleged experiment and followed it up with a hit book titled Philadelphia Experiment Project Invisibility, again, linked to in our Amazon store. Okay,

Yeah. Buy it for us.

Allenday recants his previous story and says, no, it was in fact it was true. It did happen. And that's when he kind of comes forward with additional information. 

What a little shit. 

He says it happened. It was the USS Eldridge. But when they go to find the USS Eldridge, the previous people who worked on there, none of them can corroborate the story.

Oh, I thought you were going to say they were dead. I was going to be like, no,

There were people who had been present the entire life of this ship. They were stationed on this ship and they were like, yeah, no. 

So they obliviated them. 

Never happened. 

This guy's interesting though, because he has a pretty high IQ, but he kind of always struggled in school. He is kind of a loose cannon. He's a drifter, has difficulty holding down a job. So this is our primary source guys, grain of salt on that one.

Alright, So those are kind of our first two characters. And then I got one more for you. So remember I told you next week we're going to cover the Montauk Project?, the Montauk Project. So Al Bielek, which I think any foil head is probably familiar with. He's in a lot of stuff. He's an odd dude. He comes forward now, he comes forward because in the 1980s there's this B film created about the Philadelphia project, kind of a dramatization and sci-fi, whatever. And he watched it and he has a sense of deja vu. And he is like, wait a minute. I think I might've been there. It unlocks all these memories for him.

Wait, they were obliviated. What?

Oh, so you're thinking this confirms the story that they wiped his brain and it came back to him after watching

This? Yeah. Hold on. That's weird. That's weird. 

Also Weird. I just think he sounds like a, oh my gosh, I watched a movie and I think I lived that. I mean, sus,

You know what I've done that

You've unlocked memories after watching a movie?

I have thought something happened to me that was in a movie. 

Wait, but later when you're telling a story, right? 

And then I'm like, wait a second, that wasn't me. That actually was a movie.

I mean, side note for a fun, you guys

Online dating story. I actually climbed the Canadian Rockies, hiked through the Canadian Rockies. So I'm talking to this guy in the Uber, had a couple glass of wine feeling pretty good in The taxi, and we're talking in an Uber or taxi, whatever, my ride home, and we're talking about the mountains, we hiked and can't remember the name of this mountain, but I knew it had been a 14er so, like a 14,000 elevation. So I go on, I'm like, okay, here's this mountain of the Canadian Rockies that must've been the one. And so I am like, okay, it was this mountain. And he's like, photos didn't happen. Okay. So the next morning I wake up, I have recall, I'm like, I can tell you these mountains I climbed. It was not that one. So I fess up on this text and he was such a dick about it. And then I was like, you know what? I'm so glad now I know what kind of person you are. But the takeaway was that, and I think I was telling people and everyone was like, well, my friends all thought it was hysterical. Like I really truly in my mind was like, I hiked this mountain. But then when you really look, it's like a pretty intense mountain. Yeah, there's some guides.

Yeah.

But I thought it was pretty funny. No, he was like a total dick about it. He was like, okay, so you lied about the mountain you hiked. I was, no, I just truly believed it had happened.

I also, hold on. I wanted to bring up this thing that I just saw on Instagram about people meeting online. Okay. Okay. I saw this on Instagram and it was like this people are meeting online and this girl had met this guy on Tinder and they went out and he was like, yeah, I'm like in between places to stay right now. Can I stay at your house? No. And she was like, sure you can stay at my house. So she let him. No, I know, I know. First of all, no, but she did. And she went into her bedroom and locked her bedroom door and let him sleep on the couch. Oh my God. And in the middle of the night she woke up to him banging on her door. Oh my God. And was like, let me in. I left my charger in there. And she was like, he never came into my room. So she called the police and the police got there and they were like, you need to come out of your room, but please don't be alarmed of what you see. And she left her room and the living room was set up like

Dexter Dexter.

There was plastic all over the living room. 

This is real?

This Is real. 

Where did the guy go?

I'm sure the police probably got him. 

Police Got to him. Yeah. I hope first of all, ladies out there… Can I reference stay sexy and don't get murdered? Can I reference that please? Oh

My God, be weird. Be rude. Stay alive. Shout out to crime junkie. Bark at men.

Yeah, don't let some rando come to your house and spend the night in the middle of the night.

It's like the SNL skit. She's like, I just put my head over my arm and spin around in circles because then he'll like she's too much work.

No, I have not seen that. 

Anyway, we digress. Let's get back on track. Y

eah, we're getting back on track.

What were we even talking about?

So I was giving you the players. We got our last player, Al Bielek, who's watching the movie, the eighties film. He goes, oh my gosh. Immediately thinks he was on, thinks he did this, right? So he says, I was on the USS Eldridge with my brother.

Was his brother really there?

I don't think there's any evidence of that. 

Does he have a brother?

Well, so here's the question. None of this stuff can be proven on any of they're dead documentation. So then people are like, well, did the government fudge the documentation? But he says that during one of these experiments, he was transported in time to Montauk New York 20 years later where he ran

What? 

Full Fucking circle. 

Where he ran the Montauk experiment that we will get deeper into next week.

Oh my gosh.

Somebody wiped his memory.

Oh my God.

So he says that…

How would one wipe a memory?

With a towel

Dad joke.

So anyway, he says that again, these people who were bodies that were fused into the bulkhead and everything.

Is there pictures of this? 

Wasn't there a B-list movie about this? Well,

There was, you think the footage of the movie perhaps maybe. 

We'll see. But should we watch the

Movie?

Yeah. Guys,  If you want to watch the movie with us live, comment below and we'll schedule it.

There you go.

I'm also in a bad movie club and that might be a perfect film for bad movie club. Kait, stop giving us feedback.

Guys. I just want to let you know we're not cutting this because the entire time we've been getting background noise and Megan's like, Colleen, it's you. Because I do in fact have the microphone straddled between my legs. And here's Kait over here. Fidgeting, like a 2-year-old with her knees knocking.

I fidget a lot. 

She's knocking into the table. It's not me.

Anyway. So anyway, all these people who died or went crazy or were fused into the bulkhead are people that have been told by their family that they were like MIA or lost at sea or whatever, that they died.

So they lied to the families.

Whoa, whoa.

I don't know. What else do you guys, what guys think?

I feel like I would want to be on the boat. What a way to go.

Wait a second. Hold on. I want to talk about how, okay, let's say this actually did happen. 

I believe it. 

And they had some sort of physical evidence that you could transport one object to the next. In research, when we talk about evidence-based and whatever it talks about being, you can replicate research to create the same outcome. And that's how we get most of our things that we believe. Right? Replicable. Yes.

It's been replicated over and over. Yes. Peer reviewed, replicated, whatever. So if we actually had the technology that gave us teleportation, would we be able to replicate it? 

I mean, as Michael said, the Uber driver, maybe we're just not ready for it. 

Yeah, It's too much for our little pee brains.

Yeah, we are about 10 years behind now. We're about 60 years. I guess we're like 10 years behind. He says the technology that does exist because the government knows that it'll blow our minds and we can't handle it. We are referencing Michael, the Uber driver 

But also you would argue this sounds like a bit of a failure because while they allegedly did it, they couldn't control it.

Yeah, they allegedly transported time, but all these people died or went crazy.

But my question is, so why would you replicate that? 

Okay, you can start small also with an apple. 

Is it still transporting? How did they stop it?

Oh my gosh, my mind. Wait a second. No, my mind is blowing. It is not soul transforming because guess what? Plot thickens.

They blew it up.

They sold the ship to the Greek Navy and broke it down into pieces for scrap metal. So you know what? There's no evidence. Evidence is gone. 

They sold it to the Greeks.

Kait, you do prove one of my points. I think that if this really happened, I don't know why you'd be like, okay, we have this technology, so our first thing we're going to test it on is a destroyer. Right? Hold on. Why don't you start small?

No, that does make sense. Who runs our country? Men. Yeah,

That's true.

And what do men want to do? Big gun. Big fight.

Okay. But also, I just want to say disclaimer, we're not angry man hat ingwomen. Okay. But

Also we do respect men. We

Also can't prove that they didn't try an apple first. Maybe it worked with an apple

And then they said, let's do this destroyer,

Let's do the destroyer with all these people on it.

But if they sold it to pieces, they sold it in pieces. What did they do with the pieces with the body sticking out of it?

Torsos coming out of just like the floor. It's just too much. I do believe that the ability to teleport is out there, But it's just wild to me that this one experiment, not only can you teleport, but you can time travel. And it happened all at once. And they're covering it up. And now we've never tried to replicate it.

I'm not even sure that their goal was really time travel.

Right. They just wanted it to be invisible.

Yeah, I think they were maybe just trying to teleport and then it was like, oh shit. The time space continuum.

Yeah,

Not the time space continuum.

I mean, I say that like it happened and I don't believe this happened,

But you know who was at fault here? Barry Allen, the Flash.  

Time Travel. Do you get it? Was he on the boat?

Nerd Alert.

Nerd Alert

He ran back in time multiple times and this is what happened.

So I'm referencing the notes here in front of me because obviously I don't have any of this memorized. What's this invention secrecy act about though? 

You know what? So this is just going to blow your conspiracy theory minds. 

What?

I love this.

So there is this act, the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951, which says any patent that could be a threat to national security can have a secrecy, ordinary withhold the patent. So if there's any kind of like what you're saying, if this technology exists, why haven't we done it? Maybe we have, but they can be like, you know what? This could be a threat to national security. Oh God. So under the Invention Secrecy Act, we don't have to talk about it. It's like it doesn't exist, but it exists.

Oh my God,

They're lying to us. 

No way would the government lie to us.

Yeah, they're batting a thousand people.

My God, I didn't even know that act was real.

Is this what they're doing in Roswell? Future episode. 

Future episode. By the way, aliens are real. And no one even blinked a eye. They come out, they say, guys, we admit it. Aliens are real and no one cares.

I'm sorry that came out at the most convenient time.

It's insane. So Einstein wasn't a direct part of this?

Well, allegedly he was.

They just used his material.

Einstein we know is helping us, our government with weapon building. So everyone's just theorizing. If there was anyone who could know how to do this, who would it be? Einstein. Einstein. But there's no official. Okay. The Philadelphia project is not, it doesn't exist in the records, right? Yeah. And all of the records here, so we're talking about the ss, Andrew Forseth, which is the ship that apparently witnessed this all happen. That ship was not even in Norfolk, Virginia or Philadelphia. They were in the Mediterranean.

Allegedly.

Allegedly. Okay. We have

Wait, the Mediterranean where Greece is?

 Oh My God. Oh my God. They didn't take this ship apart. They just gave them the chip. What do Greeks have to do with this?

Is Einstein Greek? 

No,

German. 

German.

What do Greeks have to do with this?

Okay. Okay. I do have questions. This ship time traveled. How do we know for sure that it's not time travel? Because it could be. So if anybody's watched time travel things. Time travel. The idea is that there's different planes, right? And like dimensions. Dimensions and different planes. And they're all kind of stacked up on top of each other allegedly. And you can branch off with every decision that you make. You create a new timeline.

What timeline is this boat on? But if this boat was supposed to be in the sixties, it was in Norfolk and Philadelphia. But then the eighties was in Chicago and Nevada.

It was in Lake Mead.

Yeah. Lake Mead and Nevada. Nevada, yeah. Is it a different ship each time? Because different branch? Because it's a different branch on the timeline. 

Oh My God.

So if it's a different branch on the timeline, sorry, I'm fidgeting. If it's a different branch on the timeline, how do we know that the boat that was broken down was actually the boat that transported that teleported. 

Oh Man, you're blowing my mind. Yeah.

Whoa.

Yeah. Riddle me that

Loki season two Disney plus.

That's your source?

That's my source. Let me cite my sources. Disney.

Did we cite Disney in a previous episode?

Yeah, we did. 

Yeah. So you blow my mind. You make a valid point. I just want to go back to these records that this ship was apparently the USS force it that witnessed this whole thing was never in any of these places. There's actually no record

In this timeline, there's no record of the USS Eldridge ever having been in Philadelphia. Whoa.

But they could have deleted the records.

They could have deleted the records also, what's his face? The one that said that he watched a movie and he was like, okay, how do we know Al is from this timeline? And maybe that's why he doesn't have memory.

And maybe that's why this timeline, the Philadelphia experiment doesn't actually exist, but on a different timeline it does. And he was just plopped into our timeline

And that's why he has no memory.

What if they know how to do it on the other timeline? Oh my God. But he did something wrong and they wanted him out of the experiment. They booted him. So they booted him to a different timeline and wiped his memory.

So they gave him to us. Well,

They gave him to Earth one

Jumping ahead. He does claim responsibility for ending the Montauk experiment. So you think maybe he pissed someone off?

Whoa. Oh my gosh.

I cannot wait to learn. They booted him to a different timeline.

Yeah, me too. I'm

Greatly looking to the next episode. Also Montauk. What a great place. Yeah, It's beautiful. 

I have no idea where it is.

 New York. New York guys. I hope we've got some Bravo listeners out there. I’m the only one of us in this trio. Summer house is in Montauk. Beautiful. 

It's where the New Yorkers go to summer. It's part of the Hamptons. There's also no record of, I think I already say this, there's no record of the SS Eldridge ever being in Philadelphia. In fact, on the day that all this allegedly happened, it was traveling. This is interesting. From Bermuda to New York City. 

Shut Up.

And it was not ever in Norfolk until December 31st, 1943.

Oh my God.

So two months after this happened.

I mean, I do know for a fact that Bermuda is, or at the time was a military port because that's where my grampy was stationed. So that makes sense. But I'm also a big believer in the Bermuda tribe.

I mean, who is it? I believe

We're covering that one on a future pod.

Wow. Okay. Okay.

Okay. So I got a couple ideas about what I think happened, but I would also say, and this might just go back into your theory here, Kait, but there were, even though we have, no one has come forward to say I was on the ship. We can verify that with the records and this actually happened, but apparently there were 211 enlisted personnel and 15 officers on the USS Eldridge at this time. And not one person has ever come forward to say it happened. Whoa. Is it because they were brainwashed? Is it because they were dead? Is it because it didn't happen?

Is it because they were on a different timeline? Whoa.

You're really doubling down on the timeline. That's your theory. Yeah,

That's my theory. 

I don't know if we can prove it or not.

Yeah, it seems like something weird happened.

A hundred percent. Something happened that was fucked up and removed from records. I feel like. Was it teleportation? I don't really think so. Yeah.

Well, I'm going to tell you what the people who onboard say they think might have caused all of this, this whole theory to evolve and explode.  So again, they're trying to figure out how to become invisible to radar, mines, torpedoes. So they were practicing this thing called degaussing. Please, people don't come for me if I'm mispronouncing or any part of this is inaccurate. But pretty much what they would do when it was time to degause is they would wrap these electrical cables around the ship to reduce the magnetic signature. So we could still see it to the naked eye. But radar couldn't pick it up. Mines and torpedoes couldn't pick it up because…

Again, this is happening during World Wari ii and we're trying to be secretive. 

Yeah. One of the theories is that maybe Allenday was present and someone said something like, ‘it's time to go invisible’. And they were referring to this degaussing and he heard that. And then that's where this all kind of spiraled from. And because he claims that he saw this big green fog, people are thinking that could have been St. Elmo's fire as a, were you a chemistry major initially?

I don't know if I know what St. Elmo's Fire is. 

Do you know what it is? Can you tell us about it? Do I need to Google it?

Probably need to Google.

I am quoting from Wikipedia, which is referencing a 1998 article, weather phenomenon in elements. But they say, and I quote ‘Saint Elmos Fire is a weather phenomenon in which luminous plasma is created by a corona discharge from a rod like object, which could include a mast, spire, chimney or animal horn and an atmospheric electrical field. So I guess when you have this electrical charge with the weather, you get this green misty and so maybe,

Well, I mean they have to turn on to go invisible, right?

Yeah.

So then I guess if it's a chemical reaction, right, then when they switch and go the switch,

They could have set it off.

Right? That's what I was thinking. It was like a chemical reaction and something was emitted because potassium burns purple.

Yeah. I don't really think it was teleportation.

Yeah, you would have to believe a lot of things that just have not happened. 

Yeah, That's too much. I do think I, Einstein was involved in something.

It was definitely probably doing some top secret research and

I that is under the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951. And I do believe some records were Expunged.

Yes, they do love to throw out their records. 

I don't believe there was a ship bumping around between the decades with men half sticking out. No. And I don't think the men were still…

Apparently these men were screaming. 

I mean can you imagine? I'm sorry they were still alive, but they were embedded in the ship. Okay. But yeah, can you imagine, I think too that if this really happened, again, I know you were a chemistry major, not a physicist, but I mean if you are displacing something as massive as a destroyer, there would be some displacement of air, water, something, right? You wouldn’t just disappear and come back.

It would vacuum and then, yeah,

I think it would be a little bit bigger than just a vanishing boat. So, alright. Okay. Well

I'm team multiple timelines are real and if this ever happened, it is on a different timeline where teleportation does exist and time travel exists and the ability to wipe memory exists. And that's where Al Bialek is from. He's from Earth 44. That's where I'm from. That's the solid boat that I'm sitting in. 

You know what, Kait? First of all, I love what you said. That's where I'm from. I thought you were also from Earth 44. But also I love, I was concerned that this is so outrageous that there's no way anyone's going to believe it, but Kait found some way to maybe buy into it.

Yeah, you could maybe buy in if all of those factors line up.

Got to be honest, I'm with Megan for this round. I don't think this happened.

I'm sorry, what?

I do not think this happened. I think there was something suspicious, but not that.

Alright, well that's all I got. But again, we're, it's going to get heavy next week guys, so let us know. 

Wait a second. What do you guys think?

Yeah, let us know.

Are you team a branch in the timeline could possibly have explained this phenomenon? 

Or are you realistic?

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