JFK Assassination Part 1: Conspiracy or Not?

**Discussion begins at 6:20**

November 22, 1963: Th President and Vice President are on a campaign tour through Texas in preparation for the 1964 re-election.  Secret Service was told to back off so that the president seemed more “approachable”. While riding in a convertible with his wife, Jackie, Texas governor John Connally, and Connally’s wife, Nellie, they departed Love Field.  The route had been published in the newspaper, and so thousands of residents had gathered along the streets, as the motorcade proceeded through the streets of downtown Dallas.  As it passed through Dealey Plaza at around 12:30 PM, shots rang out from the crowd.  The number of shots and originating location are up for debate, but in the end, Governor Conally and President Kennedy were shot, with Kennedy being pronounced dead approximately 30 minutes later at nearby Parkland Hospital.  Approximately 45 minutes later, Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested.  The 24 year old marine veteran, and employee at the Texas School Book Depository, was accused of shooting and killing police officer J.D. Tippit with a different gun, before hiding out in a movie theater.  Within 2hrs of JFK’s murder, Oswald was in police custody and accused of both murders.  Unfortunately, he was shot while being escorted by police officers 48 hours later.  The gunman of his murder was identified as Jack Ruby, a local club owner with mob connections.  The following day, Kennedy is buried at Arlington National Cemetary.  But was this all tied up a little too neatly? Does the evidence match the public story?  Was JFK really assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone?  Or is there more to the story that has been covered up?

Transcript

Hey, guys. 
Actually, I'm really enjoying this weather that we have right now. 
Yeah. The sun. 
I've been outside a lot lately. I've been going on my HGW's.
 Yeah. Hot girl walks. 
Hot girl walks. Anyone doesn't know. I've been on a hot girl walk and I walked by this guy walking a dog twice, two days in a row. He smiled at me. 
Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh.
So as a Pisces, I daydreamed about that for four days after. 
Yeah. Could you have love on the horizon?  
Yeah, I was I had a whole summer fling in my brain. Oh, you know, yeah. Break up and all.
Write the pic, I'll read it. 
Yeah, I will.  I actually you know what I kind of want to do with my life. This is on my bucket list. 
OK. 
I would like to write a children's book. 
Oh, I think you would be really good at that. 
And my sister, I wanted to illustrate it. 
Yeah. I think that you are the best - You're just a giant kid yourself. I love coming up with stories with kids.
Yeah. I hate that. 
When I babysit my nieces and it's like bedtime... 
I come up with a whole story every time. 
My one niece will say, okay, you have to read a book and then you have to make up a story. 
Yeah. 
And I'm like, I'm not down for this. 
Kids ask for my stories. They don't wanna read when I'm with them. They want me to come up with stories. 
Yeah, cause you're just a big kid. 
Yeah, I'm a Pisces. 
Entertaining kids while we're upstairs having a bourbon tasting. 
Yeah. 
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Is it time for our drink check? 
Yeah. Drink check. 
Today we have a theme and we're all drinking it. 
Listen, Colleen gave it a shot and the look on her face. It's like an elf when he's eating and he's got that look on their face and he's like, you don't have to eat it. And he's like, thank you. When he's drinking coffee and- 
It's a little bit of the texture and the flavor to me. 
Well, I looked up JFK's favorite beverages. He liked, his number one was a Bloody Mary.
Number one. 
Yeah, he also liked a daiquiri. 
I would have had that. I could have had a daiquiri.  
It would seem like a little too much sugar for me. And then he also liked Heineken. 
I love Heineken. 
Which at the time had to be imported. So it was like kind of, not like now Heineken.
Okay, it was fancy. 
Yeah. So in honor of JFK, we're having some Bloody Marys. I actually think it's delicious. I had to go to two places and then get a grocery delivery to get the zing zang mix. 
Mm hmm. Yeah, it's very flavorful. 
It was worth it only for me, apparently. 
It's spicy. 
Kait's's trying. Kait's trying. 
Here we go. Bottoms up. 
I got to say, I've been trying to do that thing where you try something seven times before you like it. So this is my third Bloody Mary attempt. You get four more. I just don't love the taste of tomato juice. 
No, I don't either.  But that's why I wanted zing zang, because it's yeah. 
But you like tomato soup. I don't make tomato soup. 
Oh, I love tomato. No, it's like not. 
There's something about cold tomatoes. 
Yeah, I think I would like a Bloody Mary if it was warm. I really do. 
Also, I'm an ice fanatic... 
I put so much ice in both. 
No, this is a great. Are you kidding me? 
No, I mean, great ice ratio for a drink to ice ratio. It's correct. Megan listens. She's a person who listens and cares. 
Yeah, she does. She shows her...
Acts of service. 
Yeah, marry her please. 
Yeah, she's single... men.... with beards. 
She likes ginger beards, a little bit of red. 
Yeah
Wearing a buffalo flannel. 
Oh, a real, Rip... If you know what I mean
But doesn't mess with her independence. 
But like literally, who thought of this drink? 
An alcoholic. Is that is that offensive? 
Yeah. Who was like, let's put vodka in this. 
Maybe it was like chocolate chip cookies, like the chocolate chips acidentally fell in the dough. Maybe the vodka just fell in tomato juice. 
That's how chocolate chip cookies were made? 
I'm pretty certain. Oh, don't fact check me, but I'm pretty certain. 
Well, I think this is delicious. So I'm going to enjoy this while I tell you guys some stories.
Hey did everyone know that they just bought a convertible? And you know who died in a convertible? You better wear a helmet. 
Yeah, a bulletproof helmet. 
Well, I don't think I'm at risk like JFK was. Anyone who doesn't know who JFK is, his name is  John F. Kennedy, he was the- 
What does the F stand for? 
Fitzgerald? 
Right. I don't know. Oh, I hope it's Fitzgerald. He was a very attractive president who... he was. 
His eyes kind of protrude a little bit. 
He was a heartthrob. Yeah, he was a heartthrob, everyone loved John F. Kennedy. 
I like his siblings better. 
That's why he had so many mistresses. 
Guys, I'm about to admit a really bad historical fact that I didn't realize. 
What? 
I thought he was murdered on his presidential parade. 
Oh, no. I thought he was president for like a day and got murdered. 
No, because- 
It took me until looking this up. 
November 22nd, 1963, the president and vice president are on a campaign tour through Texas in preparation for the 1964 re-election. Secret Service was told to back off so that the president seemed more approachable. While riding in a convertible with his wife Jackie, Texas Governor John Connolly, and Connolly's wife Nellie, they departed Love Field. The route had been published in the newspaper and so thousands of residents had gathered along the streets as the motorcade proceeded through the streets of downtown Dallas. As a pass through Dealey Plaza at around 1230 PM, shots rang out from the crowd. The number of shots and originating location are up for debate, but in the end, Governor Connolly and President Kennedy were shot, with Kennedy being pronounced dead approximately 30 minutes later at nearby Parkland Hospital. Approximately 45 minutes later, Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested. The 24-year-old Marine veteran and employee at the Texas Schoolbook Depository was accused of shooting and killing police officer J.D. Tippit.  Within two hours of JFK's murder, Oswald was in police custody and accused of both murders. Unfortunately, he was shot while being escorted by police officers 48 hours later. The gunman of his murder was identified as Jack Ruby, a local club owner with mob connections. The following day, Kennedy is buried at Arlington National Cemetery. But was this all tied up just a little too neatly? Does the evidence match the public story? Was JFK really assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone, or is there more to the story that has been covered up? 

I'm gonna start by saying that this is like the most researched assassination in history.
There's so many articles. 
There is an overwhelming amount of content out there. So we're probably not gonna like solve this murder here today, okay? 
Oh yeah. 
Instead, my goal here is just to kind of give a surface level summary and we'll just kind of determine whether or not we think there was a conspiracy to kill him. 
Oh yeah. 100%. 
So that's my goal. I would say I've watched a lot of documentaries and read a lot on this. If I was gonna recommend maybe two to anyone at home. 
This would be one. 
Well, after you listen to this podcast, I would recommend JFK, What the Doctors Saw, which is available on Paramount Plus. And then I would also recommend JFK, Destiny Betrayed, which is available on Amazon. It's like a $1.99 per episode, but I used our affiliate link and I'll post that for you guys. But I thought those were like the two most interesting documentaries. So that's what I would suggest for anyone at home. So I'm going to start with a timeline of events. 
I think that's good. 
Yeah. 
Okay. The route of the parade was published like two to three days prior in a newspaper. So thousands of people knew the plan and were lining the street. But again, as I mentioned in my introduction, he was kind of getting teed up for reelection. That's like part of his reelection campaign trail. So he, it was kind of like a campaign stop. And so they were going to do this motorcade. And again, he wanted to be like approachable, close to the people. And so he was like, Sorry, they're in the convertibles. Apparently, there were supposed to be hardtops on these cars and they took them off because the weather was so nice. 
Is do they normally announce the routes that the president's gonna take for things like?
Oh, their whole itinerary. 
Yep, I was out in Raleigh and Biden was doing a campaign stop down there, it was like, whatever, like a month or so ago. And everyone knew because it was like, schools have to get out early and they had to divert traffic. So everyone was stressed for the 24 hours leading up to it about like... And we did get stuck in traffic. 
But now I don't think they're allowed to like be in convertible. 
Yeah, I don't think they're riding in convertible with no secret service. 
Well, yeah, in the inauguration parade, some parts he walks and then most of the time he's in like a bulletproof limo. And I could see Trump's thumb. And that was it. Which is kind of cool. 
It's like when the Pope, when the Pope came to South Carolina, he was like in the Pope mobile. 
Oh, yeah, he came to Catholic to I didn't know he was a big deal and didn't go though I had no idea the Pope was that big... 
You went to Catholic school and you didn't know the Pope was a big deal?  
One year he came to Catholic University and the whole campus shut down I was like, this is kind of crazy for like a bishop and then come to find out he's like Literal Jesus in a way. I had not a thought in the world. 
He was just the top guy. 
Yeah, I had no idea. It's like the president... my friend touched his hand. 
Yeah, okay, so back on track, kids.  So 1135 a.m. Air Force Two arrives at Love Field in Dallas. Three minutes later at 1138 Air Force One arrives. The Kennedys and the Connellys disembark and they greet the Johnsons because - Lyndon B. Johnson's vice president, right? The Kennedys are seen, you've seen this video where they're shaking hands with all the people and Jackie O gets the bouquet of roses and they're interacting with the crowd. At 1155 a.m. The motorcade departs from through downtown. 1230 PM shots are fired. And she, so she's like climbing over the back, trying to grab this brain off of the car. The secret service is like racing up and jumps on the back and he's trying to help them. And then she's screaming, 'I have his brains in my hand'. 
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
We'll talk about the sequence of events, but apparently it sounds like initially he kind of, he's driving along. He kind of goes behind the sign on the video. And when he comes out, he's clasping his neck, saying 'I'm shot.' And she's kind of like trying to help him. And then we see the second shot where his head flies back, brain matter flies. She's climbing over the car trying to collect pieces of his brain. 
Oh my gosh. 
And then the driver races 80 miles per hour or 130 kilometers an hour for our European listeners. The four miles to Parkland Memorial Hospital, because this was the closest hospital, it was the level one trauma center for the area. They cared for about three gunshot wounds a day. And I think we discussed previously, didn't you say Bourbon Boy said that like, When you go into a town with these higher ups, you already know if something happens, this is where we're gonna go, right? Like this hot, you already have a hospital in mind? 
Oh yeah, they always know, yeah. 
So Parkland is the big trauma center, it's four miles away, so they race - They get him there within like six minutes, so already we're doing way better than- 
Princess Di. 
Princess Di. Yeah. So 1236, they arrive at Parkland, and they are working on him. So they're putting lines in him. They're trying to get an airway. They can't get an airway. The nurses are just letting police and Secret Service and all these people back. So there's just dozens of people in this trauma bay. And everyone says that Jackie was very in control. They thought that she looked like maybe she had been prepared for this. She was really a political wife and they had prepared her. you know, what her role was and if anything ever happened to JFK. So she was like very together. 
She was like essentially breeded for this. 
Yeah. Parkland Hospital ER physicians noted an entry wound to the front of the neck, the size of the dime just above his collar or tie. And so they assume this is very small. They right off the bat were like, that looks like an entrance wound. So again, they're unable to get an airway. So the vascular surgeon...
You would think that in the moment that you're like, I'm shot, you would just immediately get down. 
I have the same thought. 
Why didn't everyone just like drop? Right. 
It was very, very quick. We'll talk about the timing of these shots, but that's what I would think too, is I would just be like, yeah. 
Yeah, hit the ground. 
How many shots were there? 
Well, well, oh, I remember. This remains a mystery. 
Oh. 
So they noted that he had this little wound. So all of the doctors who saw him first at Parkland across the board were like, oh yeah, he got shot in the neck. That was his entry wound. So they couldn't get an airway in him, but this entry wound is right by his trachea. So they actually increase like... widened it and made it, they did a tracheostomy. They made an incision over the bullet hole in order to place an airway. So now he's got a central line, he's got his tracheostomy, they're covering all of the ABCs. And then they look down, these doctors, these like med students look down and they see that he literally, cause he's on his back while they're working on him, he literally has chunks of brain falling out the back of his head onto the ground. 
Yeah. 
This is really important to note because later on people try to claim that there's like no wound to the back of his head. But like literally you can see these shots. It's like the whole back of his head is missing and there's just like... 
I feel like you could see it in the video. 
Yeah. Like half his head is gone. 
Which again gets like this, the fact that there's like even conversations here about what I just kind of wild. Yes, conspiracy theories and the coverup that happened. So they're like working on him. And then they notice that like this man doesn't even have a half a brain. So he probably is not alive, as you pointed out. So yes, he's clearly dead, but this is the president. So like, you gotta do everything. 
Right. 
And again, I think I told you guys, when I watched the doctor documentary, the one guy, he was like, I was a fourth year med student, and they said, you get the crash cart. And I ran over and I'm thinking, 'I'm about to save the president'. 
There's no way. 
And he's like, literally all I did was get the crash cart. And I feel like that's like every code situation, right? Somebody who's like, I have the LR, you know? You know, I have the epi stick. So when this fourth year med student goes and gets the crash cart and they hook him up and then they finally realize after he's been lined. No pulse. He's in systole.  
Wait, it took him that long to get him on an EKG or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I just think there was a lot of chaos.
Have you seen a trauma bay?
Yeah, you're right. 
Yeah. Chaos. 
But again, everyone kind of decides all these people who are in the room are like, yeah, this cause of death was probably that... 
Who called it?  
So again, this is like 1236 is when he arrived at Parkland and everyone - it's pretty unanimous for like he was dead on arrival. But like you had to do the things. 
Okay. 
Meanwhile, just so you know kind of what else is going on in the world out there. While they're working on him, police are radioed. Police who are like on duty out in Dallas are radioed. They're like, everybody, you know, come to downtown Dallas. We're looking for this suspect. 
Okay. How do they already have a suspect? 
So sus. 
It sounds like the neurosurgeon about 1250 is when they've like got him on the monitor. He's asystolic. That's like 14 minutes, but he's been lined and trached. It's about 1250. The surgeon is like, he's gone. But Jackie doesn't want him to be declared dead because she wants him to get his last rites. The actual time of death that is on the death certificate and the actual like legal time of death is one o'clock. But he was really declared 1250 and was probably dead at like 1230. 
I mean, how long can you live with your brain falling out of your head?
You know what I mean? As long as your brain stems intact, your body will keep bodying.
Yeah, as long as you provide support.  Again, one o'clock is declared the time of death so that Jackie can get him to get his last rites. 
And also, Lyndon B. Johnson is kind of concerned. We don't know what's happening here. What if there's an international conspiracy and they're going to take us all out and ruin democracy? So he's like, I need time to get to Air Force One. Let me leave before you declare it and announce it. So that's what happens. So these two priests come in, they give the last rites. Jackie exchanges their wedding rings, kisses his foot and said, 'I love you, Jack.' And that's it. And again, she was only 34 years old, which is wild. His personal physician, you asked who declared it? His personal physician, Admiral George Burkley. 
Wow. 
We're gonna hear about him later. 
Oh, he's part of it? 
Everyone's part of it. So again, meanwhile, I said, while this is all happening, we've got this side Lee Harvey Oswald story happening, right? So like 1245, they're like all looking for a suspect. At 1:04 PM, this housekeeper, because Lee Harvey Oswald was living in this rooming house in Dallas. This housekeeper claims that she saw him leaving the rooming house and approaching a bus stop. And then at 1:11 JD Tippett, who's a police officer, who again is looking for the suspect, he thinks he sees the suspect, he pulls over, and he approaches a man who they claim to be Lee Harvey Oswald. At 1:15 PM, Lee Harvey Oswald shoots, allegedly, again, if you believe this official story, Lee Harvey Oswald shoots him four times with a handgun, not the same gun that killed JFK, a different handgun. And then ducks into a movie theater. Police surround this movie theater and take down Lee Harvey Oswald, and he's arrested initially for the murder of JD Tippit, this police officer. Now there are a lot of witness reports. that have come out that have been like, I saw two people shoot that officer or like, someone was like, couldn't identify from a lineup. Like, so this whole story is skeptical. That's really what we're about to talk about, right? But that's just allegedly what was happening while everyone's working on JFK. So 1:26 PM, the Johnson's head for Air Force One, Ladybird reports, seeing them, watching them like lowering the flags to half mast, but it's not been officially announced yet that he's dead. At  1:30 PM. Lyndon B. Johnson arrives at Air Force One. Three minutes later, the White House Assistant Press Secretary gives a conference from a nurse's classroom at Parkland Hospital announcing that the president is dead. When he makes this announcement, he says the cause of death was a gunshot wound from the front of the head to the back. And now he's not even heard any other story about like the book depository we'll talk about or the grassy knoll that we talk about. This is just from the people who were there who saw this body. Everyone's kind of in agreement. He got shot in the front of the head, bullet went out the back. 
Wow. 
Okay. It kind of looks like that on the video too. 
I mean, I think that's very obvious what happened, but that's not the official story.
That's crazy that they're trying to say that if there's so much firsthand and video evidence. 
Yeah. So Dr. Perry, who was the chief of vascular surgery, he's the one who did the tracheostomy, he also was summoned to this press conference again, and he announces, 'yep, we assume the entry wound was the front, exit wound in the back'. And as he walked off the stage, again, it's like a big classroom, they're like in front of a bunch of whiteboards. But as he walked off stage, apparently a secret service said to him, he should never mention the neck wound if he wants to live. But I guess the point is that all these people, before anyone had time to like pow out together and come up with a story, like the initial story that's happening minutes after this happened, everyone is saying like he got shot in the front, right? 
Right. 
Oh my God. 
In the meantime, they have like summoned a casket from funeral home. So this casket shows up at the hospital, they put JFK on the casket and they are rolling out of the hospital to head towards Air Force One. And Dr. Rose, he's the medical examiner and his office was like right off the hospital. And so he stops them and he's like, you know, by law, any murder that takes place in Texas must have an autopsy in Texas. And I guess at this point, it actually wasn't even a federal crime to assassinate a president. 
What? 
Kind of wild that there was ever a time when that wasn't a federal crime. But he's like, you know, the law is if you die in a state, that's the state that does the investigation. That's the state that does the autopsy. So Dr. Rose is like, stop, we have to do an autopsy. And pretty much like Secret Service physically picks him up like a child and moves him out of the way. 
Oh my gosh. 
Like we're going. So they go out, they load him on to Air Force One, they fly to Andrews. They're taking him to Andrews and the goal, like once they land in Andrews, they're going to take him to... Bethesda Naval Hospital, which I think is now Walter Reed, and do the autopsy. That's the plan. Meanwhile, about 2:07 PM, Lee Harvey Oswald is arriving at the police station under arrest. So an hour and a half after shooting, we've already got, now granted, he was not at this point charged with JFK's murder, but they were suspecting that he was the murderer. 
I'm sensing, I'm gonna have a hard time understanding how they can track the direction of a bullet to know where it came from. 
Oh, girl. 
I'm sensing a theme like the moon landing. I'm like, there's no way they could track that.
Oh, I think you'll be able to. 
Okay. Really?
 I don't get it. 
There's like people that study like ballistics. I mean, you think about- 
From that far away? 
You think about like, if there's a small hole and a big hole, your entry one is probably the small hole, your exit one is probably a big hole, right? 
Well, I know that.
 Okay. 
But how can you tell what building it came from? 
Well, don't you see like, haven't you, don't you watch like True Crime where they have like the light, like the radar, Yeah. like the, and then you can pick the- 
I don't actually watch true crime.
 Oh, my God. 
I don't at all.
 Good for you. 
I think I've listened to one episode of Crime Junkie.
 You know what they do say about like anxious people and true crime? Yeah, because our brain can't like dissociate from true trauma, from like other trauma that we're just hearing about. 
Yeah. 
So it's like not good for people who have anxiety. 
But then I also heard people who have like not that I have ADD. I just think as we're getting older, we're all developing attention deficit issues. 
Right. 
But they're saying that people who have attention deficit. issues are the people who like to when a movie starts and you're two minutes in and you're like, why do you think I've interrupted you six times? Every episode of SVU, I'm like, I know what's happening. That person did it. And I'm like 99% of the time I'm right.
 Yeah. 
I wonder if that's also kind of the thing with the true crime is like, you're just trying to like predict figure out how it's going to end. 
Yeah. 
So again, we're like an hour and a half at Lee Harvey Oswald is now at the police station. LBJ is sworn in Air Force One. We've seen that picture where we've got Jackie with the blood on her pink jacket. And then around the same time, they do a paraffin test on the Harvey Oswald's hands to see if he's fired a weapon recently. And it says he has. 
Okay. 
4pm, Edgar Hoover, who's the director of the FBI, he calls RFK, JFK's brother, to say we got the man. So again, three and a half hours. 
Yeah, that's a very neatly tied up. 
Yes. We got the man around this time. Also, Lee Harvey Oswald gets searched and they find five bullet cartridges in his pocket. And then Jack Ruby also, this is the first time Jack Ruby comes to the police station. 
Okay.
Jack Ruby is kind of a local mobster. 
Okay. I love a mobster. 
And, and because he owned this club and he kind of ran like prostitutes, a prostitute ring or whatever, which he supplied to a lot of these officers. He's buddies with the officers. So they're just like kinda letting him roam the jail or roam the police station. 4.30 PM, Dr. McClellan - which I also felt like good for him on this. Dr. McClellan who worked with Dr. Perry on the president. Dr. McClellan's a neurosurgeon. He has had everyone who was present, all of the med students, the residents, any physician, nurse, whatever, like document their story. And he's like. write it down and bring it to me. So about 4 PM, 4 30 PM, he has collected these statements... And every one of them noted a gunshot wound to the front of the neck. 
Right. 
I got 6 PM - Air Force One arrives at Andrews Air Force Base and at 6:20 PM LBJ addresses the country for the first time. And then there's a bit of a conspiracy theory about what happens right around 6:20, which we'll get into later. Oh, this is if you believe these rumors were talking about a body swap before the autopsy. This is when they think it happened. He addresses the country and it's after dark when they've got all these lights, he addresses the country, all the lights go off for a couple of minutes. And this would have potentially been, if you believe this theory, I'll get into when the body got swapped. 
Well, I believe it. Okay. I know a little bit. I believe it. 
And then there's a lot of questions. 
That's not him. No way. 
And then there's a lot of questions about when the body arrived for the autopsy, because this is the theory, not even so much like it's a different body. So they claim that the body arrived at Walter Reed or the Bethesda Naval at 6:55. But there's also documentation of this 6:35 arrival that people who were present wrote down. And so the thought is not necessarily that the body was swapped, but did they swap the casket? Autopst starts at 8PM, so they have time to kind of clean up the body before this official autopsy happens. It's just like, why do we have documentation of a 6.35 arrival and then documentation of a 6:55 arrival? 
Yeah, that's weird. 
Suspicious. That's weird. 
But 6:55 is the time that the secret service documented and the time the newspaper is recorded. And then about the same time is when Lee Harvey Oswald is accused of murdering J.D. Tippett. And he says he didn't do it, he pleads not guilty. He doesn't even learn until the following day that he was accused of JFK's murder. He had no idea. 
Oh my God. He's just been arrested for this police officer. 
I'm starting to feel bad for this guy.
 The plot thickens. 
Oh, I love it. 
It's getting thick like gravy and potatoes. Thick? Guys. So 8 p.m. the autopsy begins. 
No, finish the timeline. I wanna hear it all and I wanna get into it.
 So then like the next day. Within 48 hours of this happening, Lee Harvey Oswald is being escorted through the basement of the jail, through the basement of the police station to be taken to a jail. There's a crowd of reporters and Jack Ruby, that mobster that I told you about, pulls out a gun, shoots him, kills him. 
Stop. 
So no one ever got to hear Lee Harvey Oswald's story or version of events. All we have is that sound clip you've probably seen where he's like, 'I'm a patsy, I'm a patsy' 
And they still declare him the assassin though without ever trialing him? 
You betcha. 
Can they do that? 
We'll talk about it. 
And then JFK is buried at Arlington National Cemetery the next day. So that's kind of our timeline. 
So let me tell you, how long does it take to do an autopsy? 
A week. In the two weeks? 
Well, this one was pretty quick. Yeah. It's supposed to take, I'll talk about when I talk about this autopsy. Apparently you're supposed to prepare the brain in like formaldehyde for a couple of weeks and then you do that. I mean, you think about all these like autopsies we're waiting to hear back on for current cases and it takes months and months. So let me tell you about the autopsy. At 6.20 PM, like I said, Lyndon Johnson finishes addressing the nation from the steps of Air Force One and then the lights go out, TV's cut. And one of the theories is that under the cover of darkness, the body is loaded into a helicopter. He was in this casket that they had gotten from the funeral home, which was like a nice casket we usually see. But there was a separate casket, which is like what they would use for like dead soldiers and that kind of thing. That's like a metal casket. So one of the theories is that he got moved from that when he was on Air Force One, did they move him from that nice casket into the metal casket because there's documentation that the body showed up in this metal casket. But other people claim it showed up in this casket. 
Nice casket. 
Okay. So if they did this body swap, then RFK and Jackie would have been escorting this empty casket to Bethesda. Again, at 6:35, someone signed that a marine, received this body. At 6:55, the motorcade arrives, a Secret Service newspaper document at the time of arrival of the body for the autopsy was 6:55. And then the official autopsy begins at eight. So the question is, if this body came at 6:35 and the autopsy didn't start till eight, what was going on for an hour and a half? 
Right. Okay. 
Swapping them out. 
Well, and one of the theories again is that if you look at pictures, you can pull them up too while you're sitting here. If you look at some of these, so you guys saw where the back of his head blew off. 
Right. 
I saw that. 
Yeah. But if you look at some of these autopsy photos, the back of his head is completely intact. And there's some theories that like, you can maybe see a hand, like maybe this flap of skin was down and they like pulled it up and took a picture and just kind of made it look a little- Look better. 
Prettier? 
Yeah. To hide the fact... 
Yeah, because it ruins their whole story. If they want to blame, we'll get into this. If they want to blame-Lee Harvey Oswald and they claim he shot him from the back... 
But it appears that he's cleaner in the back. Exactly. So now we have to clean this up to match the story we want to tell. So this actual autopsy, there were 33 people at least they've they know they've confirmed at least 33 people present at the autopsy. 
That's a ton of people. 
That's a ton of people. 
And they said the entire like viewing area like think Grey's Anatomy, you know, with like the viewing full. There was an x-ray tech who was interviewed in that doctor documentary. He said it was just chaos. They're yelling. There was clearly a storyline that they wanted told and the physicians were being told what they needed to document. The person in charge, Dr. Humes, is the one who was appointed to do the autopsy. He's a pathologist. He had never done an autopsy on a gunshot victim. Didn't really know what he was doing. He didn't know how to track a bullet wound. 
How did this guy get stuck doing the autopsy, then?
They wanted someone to control if you believe these theories. Then there's just like all these, these FBI was like taking photos and then they all got confiscated by secret service before they could leave the autopsy room. The X-ray tech claims that they had him tape fragments. Yeah, that the X-ray tech claims that they had him tape like bullet fragments before they took an X-ray so they could try to make the X-ray of the skull look like how they wanted it to look to tell the story they wanted to tell. James Jenkin, who was an assistant, he was the last living autopsy member. He said that when Dr. Humes removed... yes, see, fishy. 
Super fishy. 
When Dr. Humes removed the brain, the brain center had been clearly cut. In fact, he said, was there surgery done on this patient? 
Oh, quoted. 
Yeah, he asked that question. They're like, no, because it was like a very clear cut across the brain stem. So again, what was happening? Had someone manipulated this in the last hour and a half? What was going on? 
Oh, that is so weird. 
Crazy. 
So that's another theory that between 6.30 and 8 p.m. the brain might have been removed, any metal was removed and it was replaced in the skull for this exam. I don't know. 
Oh, that is so creepy. 
Point is that all of their documentation gets changed around, okay? And part of the confusion apparently is like, so no one talked to the team in Parkland until the next day. So they were like, oh, we've got a tracheostomy. No one was even thinking there was like a bullet win there until the next day when they called the physician team and I'm like, oh no, there was a hole there, but we had to cut through it to make the tracheostomy.  But anyway, it's like all of the documentation, the autopsy photos. Scared me. All the autopsy photos that were apparently taken disappeared or burned. There were people who were questioned who allegedly took pictures and they were like, those aren't my photos. What? What happened? No one was allowed to have any notes. They confiscated everybody's notes before they left. 
This is the Secret Service doing this? 
Yeah. I think this is secret service, but we'll get into like the... 
Okay. 
So Humes, again, having had no experience with gunshot wounds, he didn't know how to like track the bullets. He didn't... I guess if you dissect the wounds at the skin, you can identify if it was an entry or exit wound. They weren't able to do that. And again, all notes and documentation were destroyed. Now Rear Admiral George Burkley, who I told you was the president's private physician, I guess the president's private physician always flies with them, right? 
Right. 
So he was present at Parkland. He signed the death certificate. He was present for the autopsy. Everyone who was there in the first 24 hours has the same story and it is not the story that is being told now. 
That's crazy. 
But also when you watch the video, you would think that like, so you see, you see the bullet come, it's almost like it's shot at an angle, the top like right part of his face into the back of his head and his body slumped toward Jackie 
Oh. Yeah, well his head kind of flies back and then he slumps, right? 
And you would think if you were getting from the shot from the back, you would go forward. 
Correct. 
Right. Mm-hmm. 
It doesn't make sense that, yeah. 
Yeah, the story that changes doesn't make any sense. 
Right.
 But anyway, so just his private physician always maintained he was shot from the front and the gunshot wound or the bullet exited the back. He said this prior to the Warren Commission. He said it after the Warren Commission. And then there were additional review boards. We'll talk about additional reviews over the last several decades to kind of reinvestigate this. He was never questioned for any of those, never asked to testify. He did get promoted and he was able to remain on as LBJ's private physician. So there's some theories, was he like rewarded for his silence? Like he played the game, but he always told his kids like the official story is not what happened. And then I told you how the Parkland doctors all were told to like compile their reports. And they all reported destruction of the cerebellum, particularly the occipital lobe, which makes sense. That's the back of the brain that looks like it all blew out. But then Humes who did that autopsy, he didn't say anything about the missing area of the cerebellum. Again, that what those Parkland doctors talk about, like the brain matter dripping on the floor at the back of his head. But they act like it was all just intact. And we saw Jackie chasing after the brain. 
Right. 
She's grabbing at it. 
But you guys were asking how long it takes to do an autopsy. So one of these doctors says that if you do... So apparently your brain is the consistency of a well-done soft-boiled egg. That's how they describe it in one of these documentaries. The guy's like, I know that's graphic. It's just the best way to describe it. That's pretty hard to like cut into and study, right? Yeah. So what you're supposed to... 
A well-done soft-boiled egg? 
That's right. 
That's hard to cut into? 
No, it's just gonna be like runny and kind of a mess. 
Oh, oh, I see. 
So what you're supposed to do is prepare, soak in formaldehyde, give it two weeks, and it will become like a hard-boiled egg. 
Yes. 
Oh, got it.
 And then you can do the slices and study them. Is that without hardening his brain? Well, they've studied him. 
Well, they claim the whole brain was studied within 72 hours, which you know doesn't make sense if it needs two weeks to even prepare. 
I cannot think about brains for too long. 
Okay, so they probably didn't study the brain as they were supposed to.
Okay. 
And then as I mentioned, all of the notes were destroyed by the physicians or they disappeared. J.T. Stringer was a civilian Navy photographer. He took all the autopsy photos, but they have all disappeared. And when questioned, like again, he was like on the stand and they were showing pictures and he's like, 'those aren't my photos'. 
Yeah. 
So no one knows where these random photos we have in the archives came from. So if this was like a real case, if this happened. It would be inadmissible because you'd have no chain of custody. You don't know where these photos came from, but we're just to believe them right now. 
Right.
Yeah. No. 
That's insane. 
Why is the government so sketchy? 
What is it hiding? 
And then in the meantime, also the limo was shipped to DC
Like that he was shot in? 
Okay. The convertible, they keep, they called it, yes, the convertible was shipped to DC. It had apparently been hit by a bullet. It had a broken windshield, they think, from a bullet coming from the front and a ding from the back, like a bullet from the back. 
Okay. 
But we don't really know because, you know, they replaced the windshield within, they cleaned all the blood and everything within 36 hours, replaced the windshield within 48 hours. 
What the hell? 
I don't understand, how is that not, like, what is it when you interfere with an investigation?
 Obstruction of justice? 
Yeah, obstruction of justice. 
Should I tell you about Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby. 
Yeah. 
How's about the scapegoat? The scapegoat, yeah. 
So Lee Harvey Oswald, who is recognized now as having done this murder, this assassination. 
Yeah, he's still the one people are allegedly blaming. 
Correct. 
So I'm gonna tell you about him, I'll tell you about Jack Ruby, and then I'll go into the investigations that happened and what they found. So Lee Harvey Oswald, he was born in New Orleans in 1939. Interestingly, he was actually a third cousin, I think, a distant cousin of Teddy Roosevelt and General Lee. 
Oh, wow. 
I think his older brother was a Marine. He really envied his brother, respected his brother, was proud of him. His father died before he was born, and so we had kind of a tumultuous upbringing. At one point they were living with his mom's family, but they were asked to leave after threatening his mom and aunt with a knife. He was evaluated by a psychiatric hospital as a child where they said he had personality pattern disturbance with schizoid features and passive aggressive tendencies. 
What's the one where kids like- 
Oppositional defiant disorder.
That's it, yeah, that's what I was thinking of, yeah. 
And what is that? 
You just, they have no concept of right versus wrong and they are extremely aggressive and you just will never be able to like fully communicate with them about it. 
I think ODG precedes like sociopathy. 
Yes, yeah. 
Because I also think now, I mean, hopefully, right? Your parents teach you empathy and - Yeah, oh, they have no empathy. But I think, but I feel like all children, right? Until they like develop, do you have this element of like not understanding right and wrong and repercussions and everything. 
So the age seven, allegedly, right? You don't know right versus wrong or you don't have...
He was jailed for truancy at the age of 12. He didn't get along well with others, was kind of odd. He went to 12 different schools by 15. Okay, so again, I'm gonna tell you kind of the two versions here, right? There's like the official, so right now was kind of the official version and I'll tell you the other theory. 
So at 15, he identified as a socialist. He actually wrote to the Socialist Party of America, requesting information on Young People's Socialist League. He joined the Civil Air Patrol and then became a Marine at age 17, where he was assigned to radar operation and actually got a confidential security clearance. While in the Marines, in 1957, 1958, he was stationed at Tsugi Air Base in Japan, the home of the largest CIA station in the Pacific. There is no evidence that Oswald, again, this is the official story, there is no evidence that Oswald was ever a CIA operative. He was a pretty low level officer. In fact, he was court-martialed twice. while based in Japan, once for shooting himself and then once for fighting with a superior. And he was also disciplined for firing a gun into the jungle for no clear reason. In 1959, he was honorably discharged, which makes me, like, you just got court martialed twice and you got an honorable discharge. But it sounds like he left with like a hardship discharge. So claiming his mother needed care and he did like briefly go home and see his mom and then that was it. So he wasn't really like her caretaker. 
Okay. 
And he was assigned to the reserves. Okay. In 1959, he defects to the USSR. He had learned Russian by reading the paper, but it sounds like his Russian was maybe meh. He got a tourist visa to the USSR, and upon entering, he enters the USSR, and he's like, I am a communist. I wanna be a citizen. And they denied his citizenship. So he's there for a week. This tourist visa runs out, and so he attempts to slit his wrists, which buys him a stay in the psych ward. He gets to stay in the USSR. 
Yeah, he definitely sounds mentally ill. 
Yes. if you believe this official story. 
OK. Yeah. 
While there, he met and married his wife, Marina, and they have a baby girl. In 1962, they moved to Dallas and they have a second daughter. The next year, Lee Harvey Oswald purchases a secondhand rifle and attempts to shoot US Major General Edwin Walker while he was sitting by a window in his Dallas home. So I guess there was this assassination attempt against this general who was an outspoken anti-communist. 
They actually sent the president back to that city? 
Yeah. That's crazy. 
I mean, crazy things happened everywhere. 
That's true. 
But the general. So this general had actually been relieved, relieved of duty because he had been like distributing right wing propaganda to his for it to his troops. 
OK. 
And so he didn't get he didn't get injured. The general did not get injured with this attempt. He was fine. And I guess Lee Harvey Oswald was never even like on the radar as having been the cause of this. But after everything happened, his wife did testify that he had confessed this to her and he'd actually left her handwritten instructions like, if I don't come back, here's what you should do. 
Oh my gosh. 
But again, so this was a failed attempt. A year later, he goes back to New Orleans. That's where he came from. He leaves his wife in Texas. And while he's there, he attempting to start a branch of Fair Play for Cuba for restoration of diplomatic and tourist relations with Cuba. In fact, the headquarters in New York City asked him like not to start his own chapter. They thought like, that's probably not going to be very helpful to the cause. 
Right. 
But he decided to do it anyway. And he actually was the only member of this branch.
This is all giving schizoid tendencies.  
But while he's there, he's like all over the radio, he's all over TV, like on the news, like handing out pamphlets. Very visual, has been very visible for this cause. He then traveled to Mexico and attempted to gain access to Cuba. After five days and multiple trips to the consulate, he was told, "in place of aiding the Cuban revolution, he was doing it harm". In October of 1963, he returned to Dallas and got a job at the Texas School Book Depository. During the week, he stayed in a rooming house in Dallas and on the weekends, he would go back to Irving, Texas to be with Marina and the two girls. And then given these attempts to get to USSR and Cuba, he was on the FBI's radar, they were kind of watching him. His wife had actually been questioned multiple times about him and Lee Harvey Oswald actually went to the FBI office and was like, 'I will blow up this office if you don't stop bothering my wife.' 
Oh my gosh. He is so mentally ill. 
Okay. 
So that is the, that's the official story. 
What's the unofficial? 
Yeah. Okay. Hold on. But the alternative theory is that he could have been an intelligence officer. So this whole time. 
Yeah.
 So before the assassination of JFK, Otto Otepka, he worked for the state department. He noted that they had a a higher than normal number of defectors going into the USSR and a lot of them seem to be military personnel or like former military. And so he was like, what's going on here? Are these like plants? Are we, are we sending people who are claiming to be defectors to like, you know, investigate for the United States? So he reached out to the CIA and he's like, I need a list of your assets, United States assets. And on that list was Lee Harvey Oswald. Now again, this is all before the assassination.
So he was on the US list for the USSR? 
Correct. Okay. Like the, yes. 
Okay. Side note, Lee Harvey Oswald. He's cute. 
I thought so too. 
Yeah. 
Not the ones where he's crazy screaming, but like him in his like military uniform and everything. 
Love a man in uniform. 
Oh my God. 
He was only 24. Oh my, would this happen? Yeah. He is hot. 
Yeah. Oh my God. 
Sir. Okay, Lee. 
Justice for Lee. 
If you believe this version of events, if you believe that like this version, then again, he was like a CIA operative who had been placed, like was pretending to be this socialist and this communist nutcase. 
He was a spy. 
Correct. And so apparently, though, this list shows up and Lee Harvey Oswald's name on it. But the CIA is like, hey, don't look into that. Don't worry about it. But Otto Otepka keeps looking into it. 
Of course. 
17 days before the assassination, he gets fired. 
He was being a little too nosy, okay? 
Oh my God. 
He got caught sniffing around where he doesn't belong. 
Since then, other high level intelligence agents have reported that Lee Harvey Oswald was a fake defector. So when he was in New Orleans for a while, he was seen interacting with Clay Shaw, who is a CIA agent, Guy Bannister, who's an FBI agent, and David Ferry, who's like very vocal about being anti-communist. 
Okay. 
I told you he was on TV and on the radio a lot talking about his pro-Castro stance. So was this all for his cover story, like to get publicity, look at me, I'm pro-Castro? 
Yeah. 
The FBI had a flash alert on his file, meaning anyone who tried to access it, it would alert. It would let the FBI know that somebody was looking at it. A few weeks before the assassination, the alert was removed to lower the threat level and minimize attention. So if this alert had remained on his file, then when the motorcade came through, they would have had to clear out anybody who was on this list. They would have been like safety issue. Cause I think you can have an alert if you're like, um, like, um, you know, an American asset or you can have alert if like you're suspicious, right? So like you have to clear these people out, but they took it off. 
They didn't want anyone to think about it, don't worry about it so this alert goes away.
Oh. Interesting.
 Also interestingly again, if you believe this story and we'll talk about who had a motive and could have potentially been involved in this, there were actually two failed assassination attempts on JFK prior to this assassination. And the big one was on November 2nd in Chicago, but an anonymous tip came in from an informant named Lee. who said there are four Cubans heading to Chicago to assassinate JFK. 
Oh my God. 
Oh my gosh. 
The next day, a landlady reported that she had rented a room to four men with rifles and a motorcade map. They alerted Secret Service, who botched the investigation.
Of course. 
In the end, Kennedy happened to cancel the trip at the last minute, but when you go into this storyline, this whole setup, the way the assassination was supposed to happen on November 2nd, lines up perfectly with what actually happened in Dallas. Like they were gonna be... they had a Patsy picked out. They had a name, a person who was gonna take the fall. He was gonna be shot on the motorcade from a high building. It's just like side by side. We'll post to the Instagram this clip that's like just side by side, how it was like exactly the same scenario. 
Lee Harvey Oswald was at the actual assassination in hopes to try to stop it. And then he ended up being a scapegoat instead. 
Colleen also always like, she always finds the story - The guy that everyone thinks is bad is really the hero. 
Yeah.  
So that's kind of the Lee Harvey Oswald, who he is. 
I don't know. That's completely different situations. 
Is he a mentally ill socialist or was he an American spy? 
Yeah. 
Wait, and when he was shot, he was saying, I'm a patsy. I'm a patsy, right? When they arrested him and they were like, they told him he was accused of JFK's assassination, he looked shocked like he had no clue. And then that's when you see that clip where he's screaming. I didn't do it. I'm a patsy. 
Oh my God.
 Oh my gosh. 
And it makes me, if this is how it happened, that's just really heartbreaking that you could be like, you think you're doing your like heroic job and they just throw you under the bus
 Yeah. 
That's very American boss culture. They don't care about the little people. 
And then Jack Ruby is the guy that- 
I think you could probably argue that's like a universal boss culture, not just American.
And then let me tell you about Jack Ruby, who's the guy who killed Oswald before we ever got a trial. 
Okay.
 So he was born in Chicago in 1911. He also had a turbulent childhood with a lot of violence between his parents. His mom was eventually committed to a mental institute, and he also was arrested for truancy at age 11. 
Truancy? 
Truancy, like not going to school. 
Oh, okay. 
As an adolescent and young adult, he was heavy into gambling and horse racing. He was drafted into World War II and he worked as an aircraft mechanic until 1946. He returned to Chicago. He went on to manage a lot of nightclubs, strip clubs, dance halls, and he ended up in Dallas and he had the carousel, the carousel room. It was like the club he owned there. Like I said, he had a lot of ties to the Dallas police officers because he would give them liquor, prostitutes, whatever. He was never married. There's some - allegedly he lived with this man who was questioned after all this happened and he did refer to him as his boyfriend, but then later on there was denial. So he may have had a live-in boyfriend. 
A partner, if you will. 
Partner. Yeah.
 Immediately I'm choosing to believe that. 
Yeah. I love that. 
His business ventures were not successful, so he had a lot of debt. As mentioned, he spent a lot of time at the police department after Oswald's arrest, including during a press meeting with Oswald when he was asked if he killed the president. Oswald replied, 'no, I have not been charged with that. In fact, nobody has said that to me yet. The first thing I heard about it was when the newspaper reporters in the hall asked me that question.' That's kind of, I feel like that wouldn't track now, right? 
No. He's being held without cause. 
When another reporter said- 
Where's that guy's lawyer? 
Yeah. Did they even read him as Miranda Rights? 
What did he think he was being arrested for? 
Well, they knew he was arrested for killing that police officer. The police officer. That's how they got him in. But he denied that he killed the police officer. 
Yeah, but he did have, they did test his hands to see if he had fired a weapon. 
And he had. 
Yeah. Allegedly. So another reporter says, well you have been charged... 
And Oswald apparently looked astonished. Oh, cause he says, I've not been charged with that. And the reporter's like, well, you have been. And he just looked shocked. 
Oh, that's what he was like, what? He's like, did I hear that right? And then he stops talking immediately. 
He's probably like, shit, I'm in trouble. 
Yeah. Oh my God. 
Somebody set this man up. So this all happened on the 22nd, right? On November 24th, Ruby and his pet Dachshund, Sheba went to Western Union to send money to his employee. 
A Dachshund was the one who assaulted Tanner, right? 
Oh, yes. 
We hate Dachshunds. 
So he walks a half a block to the police station.  At 11:21, Oswald was being escorted by two officers through the police basement to an armored car to take him to a nearby jail when Ruby pulled out his revolver and shot Oswald in the abdomen. 
Oh my God. 
Oswald is laying there. He's dying. one of the policemen says to him, like, is there anything you want to tell us before you die? And Oswald said- 
They're not gonna give them medical treatment? 
Well, I think they were trying to, but it's like, it's kind of like, they do this on SVU all the time too. Like, they're not gonna make it. We're trying to save them, but they're probably not gonna make it. And so this is their last chance to, to tell us who did it or whatever. 
They do this on SVU all the time. 
They do. Yeah.
Shout out to that's messed up. 
Okay, so the point is they were like, you know, Lee - he's dying. Do you want to tell us anything? And he says, no, he didn't do it. 
Wow. 
And that's his last. That's like a dying. 
Yeah. I don't think he did. 
So Oswald was taken... 
I wish she would have looked at him and been like, I did it. And then he died. But he didn't. 
And actually, I'm team....
I'm team. He didn't do it. 
Justice for Lee. 
I know. 
I feel bad for Lee. 
Yeah. Actually, Dr. Perry, who was the doctor who tried to save JFK. He also tried to save Lee Harvey Oswald.  They took him to the same hospital. What a good man. And I read that Dr. Perry was like very traumatized after this and he like fled Texas because he was tired of the questions and everything. 
I believe that. Yeah, that's to be like, man. 
How do you stay in the- Medical field. 
Yeah. I say that but...
So apparently Ruby's bullet had entered Oswald's left side and the front part of the abdomen caused extensive damage to his spleen, stomach, aorta. Vita cava, kidney, liver, diaphragm, and 11th rib. The man bled out. He died at 1:07 PM. Jack Ruby claimed he was a fan of JFK. This was just like an emotional decision he made at the spur of the moment. His defense attorney asked him if there was anything he needed to know to like, you know, help with his defense. And Ruby said, well, it'll be a real problem if this man named Davis should come up. 
Who the heck is that guy? 
Ruby told his attorney that he had been quote, involved with Davis, who was a gun runner entangled in anti Castro efforts. 
Oh
So initially Ruby was found guilty, but his conviction was overturned. And he repeatedly asked to speak to the Warren commission and he told people his life was in danger, but nobody wanted to listen to him. And then in 1967 before it went back for retrial, he dies. He had cancer. He actually died of a P.E. - Pulmonary embolism related to his cancer. But that story kind of gives me Veronica Mars vibes. I know none of you guys, you didn't make it right, Colleen?  
I watched part of it. 
But there is a spoiler alert. There is this convicted murderer who is dying. And then you find out that he was again, like the Patsy, like, will pay you all this money to your family. Like if this guy, This guy had all these like bankrupt businesses. Yeah, and he's dying. Yeah, was there some kind of payoff? Like you're gonna die anyway, so might as well get the money. 
Yeah 
Wow 
So that's Jack Ruby. 
Okay, Jack Ruby the mobster 
the mobster 
justice for Lee Mobster yeah, let's talk about theories next. 
Okay. 
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