Plum Island

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Plum Island is a 3 mile by 1 mile island isolated off the coast of New York.  It is home to a lab run by the Department of Homeland Security and Department of Agriculture.  The lab claims to be dedicated to the study of disease in animal livestock.  They claim that in compliance with Nixon’s 1969 order, there is no offensive bioweapons research taking place there.  Instead, they argue, the goal is to focus on protecting the US against the introduction of animal diseases.  Their principal focus, they allege, is to prevent foot and mouth disease, which has not occurred in the US since 1929.  The island can only be accessed by military ferry which is escorted by armed guards, and personnel are not permitted to have pets or spend time around animals due to the inherent risk of disease spread.  While the government maintains that there is no bioweapons research happening there, evidence exists that discredits their claims.  In fact, one of the primary goals of the lab when it was first developed by Nazi scientist Erich Traub, was to research the use of ticks as bioweapons.  Since that time, people have argued that the lab is responsible for the development and spread of tickborne illnesses, including Lyme Disease and the African Swine Flu Outbreak in Cuba.  Is the government performing innocent studies to limit the spread of animal transmitted infections?  Or are they performing harmful biologic research under the guise of benign animal studies?

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Is this thing on? 

Hey guys, How's it going? What's popping? 

Colleen's over there crocheting a scarf. 

She's still crocheting from three episodes ago. Um, let's start with our shout out. We've got a shout out for Sarah. Hey, Sarah, Sarah says thanks for making cleaning my bathroom is less painful. 

Oh, anytime. 

Also, I found out that there's a conspiracy theory around the band the Scorpions. Have you heard about it? 

Not, I have not. But you know what we're doing a pop culture section soon. 

I didn't even know who the Scorpions were. But then I Googled them and they have this song, Wind of Change, which I think if  if you hear it, you probably have heard it before. So I did recognize it when I listened to it and I guess it was like the hype song for the end of the Cold War and the conspiracy theory is that the CIA wrote it as like propaganda. Okay, so do you guys recognize that song?

No

No

Oh, I feel like I've heard it. Um, I guess it came out in the nineties and it was again the anthem for, like, the Cold War, and so the theory was that the CIA actually wrote the song and I've got to tell you 

It gives Fred liked it, probably. 

Yeah, it's probably on Captain Fred's playlist

Yeah. 

But not the conspiracy we're talking about today. 

No, I mean. Well, I will say that the more I'm researching for our JFK episode, and I think, also going into like a little bit about what we talk about today, and like Montauk, I would not put anything past the CIA. Yeah, so I can 100% believe the CIA wrote a song for propaganda. 

People can’t even talk about working for them. 

Mm, hmm, mm, hmm, Particularly like the last, you know, 50 years of the of the 21st century the CIA was really up to no good 

Right!

So I can believe it. We may have to cover that for you. Sarah, Sarah also wants to join us if we ever go investigate in Montauk. So yeah, Telling you right now, Sarah, uh, you are for sure going to join us if we ever go to Montauk. You are on the invite list. There we go. 

There's this like really nice resort that I'd like to say in Montauk I was thinking about. 

Like all the places you want to… aren't we going to Asheville, to the spa? Now we're going to Montauk for a resort. 

Well, hold on. We're going to live a lot of years together, Megan. Yeah, so like they can happen, I don't know. Okay, we're going to be like 70 in a spa 

When I finish grad school... 

Joie’s pushing us in our walkers. Yeah, Colleen, I'll give you 20 bucks if you push me down these stairs. 

Give me my bottle of aspirin. 

Well, we'd be like, um, whenever I used to go visit my grandma, she always had a box of Franzia in the garage, and that's what I remember. And now my mom always laughs because she's like she used to have these like women's meetings, like finance meetings, once a month where these women would get together and like talk about money, because she was kind of like an unexpected single mother of three and had to step up. So my mom's like she wasn’t like drinking all the time. She just like had this box of Franzia that she would like pull out once a month. But in my mind I just I'm like I associate the Franzia in the garage with my grandma. Yeah, Shout out, Gagoo. Um, so, yeah, maybe, maybe, Joie, will be like filling up our our cups with our Franzia... Hopefully we'll be affording something better than Franzia. 

We’ll be slapping the bag at 70. 

So is it time for our Drink Check?What are we drinking? Guys, speaking of vino - for the first time ever on the pod. 

Oh, is this your first wine on the pod? 

I'm drinking wine for the first time. 

She's having kind of a spritzer. 

Yeah, it's like I said earlier. I'm an ice fanatic, so it's about six cubes of ice and about two fingers of wine. 

Speaking of grandma's, I just whenever my friends put ice in their wine… It makes me think of a grandma. 

Colleen really leans into the suburban housewife of the 90s with the ice and the wine. 

It's not frozen grapes. I feel like frozen grapes would have been smarter

Oh, as ice cubes?

Yeah, no doubt about it. 

Oh yeah, what’re you drinking over there, Kait? 

Well, I'm drinking an organic plant protein chocolate shake with 20 grams of plant protein. 

I can't even look at you right now.  It's just like sso hippy dippy

Well, I have a dairy allergy, Megan, and the vegan protein options are limited. 

We all know about the dairy allergy. 

Yeah, very limited, Megan. 

Ok, you know, don't discriminate. Anyway, my New Year's intention, if you will, was to increase my protein intake because, women, as we get older, we need more protein in our bodies to maintain our muscles and our bones, and so I am preparing for my 70s.  Sounds kind of sad when I say it

I'm drinking some lime seltzer, which… polar brand?  Costco?

Costco, costco. I just started Modern Family because I haven't watched it all the way through, and the third episode is Mitchell going to Costco for the first time and he's making fun of Costco. He's like ugh, these like pick stores, why would anybody? And he walks in and he's like oh the paper shredder that I've won it and it's just like them buying everything at Costco and I was like I relate to this .

Relatable. 

So it's like people are like ‘I like your outfit’, and I'm like ‘it's all Costco’ and I'm like the meme. But sometimes you have a friend who's not a Costco person. 

Yeah

And they look at you like… ‘I'm sorry, you're buying your clothes at Costco?

I'm sorry, you're a member at Sam's Club.?

I actually believe I have... I think these are Costco leggings. 

Yeah, they're cute actually 

I don't think I have any Costco on, but normally I do. I love their pants. 

All right, but yeah, I'm drinking a Lime Seltzer, oh Polar, like I said. And speaking of limes, do you guys know where Lyme Disease came from? 

I did not know why we were talking about Lime

Speaking of limes, lyme disease…

Yeah, so we're really going to talk, I think, more about Plum Island and the wild things happening there, to include, but not limited to, the creation and spread of Lyme Disease as we know it. 

OK, all right, I'm on board. I'm on board 

My uncle had it. 

Plum Island is a three mile by one mile island, isolated off the coast of New York. It is home to a lab run by the Department of Homeland Security and Department of Agriculture. The lab claims to be dedicated to the study of disease and animal livestock. They claim that, in compliance with Nixon's 1969 order, there is no offensive bio weapons research taking place there. Instead, they argue, the goal is to focus on protecting the US against the introduction of animal diseases. Their principal focus, they allege, is to prevent foot and mouth disease, which has not occurred in the US since 1929. Foot and mouth I've never heard of foot and mouth, or like hoof and mouth, the island could be confused with hand, foot and mouth. No, this is a separate. This is separate. 

The principal focus, they allege, is to prevent foot and mouth disease, which has not occurred in the US since 1929. The island can only be accessed by military ferry, which is escorted by armed guards, and personnel are not permitted to have pets or spend time around animals due to the inherent risk of disease spread. While the government maintains that there is no bio weapons research happening there, evidence exists that discredits their claims. In fact, one of the primary goals of the lab when it was first developed by Nazi scientist Eric Trubb not always for Nazis was to research the use of ticks as bio weapons. Since that time, people have argued that the lab is responsible for development and spread of tick-borne illnesses, including Lyme disease and the African swine flu outbreak. In Cuba, is the government performing innocent studies to limit the spread of animal transmitted infections, or are they performing harmful biologic research under the guise of benign animal studies? What you guys think? 

Immediately yes. 

Yeah, immediately, believe it. 

It's sounding a little familiar, is it not? 

Yeah, immediately, yes, immediately. Yeah, yeah,

I mean, I know and I believe it. I'm going to. 

Biological warfare is a real thing. 

Yeah, all right. Plum Island, off the coast of Long Island, New York, was purchased by the United States government in the 1950s. Originally it was purchased by the government during the Spanish-American War for the construction of Fort Terry, which was then deactivated after World War II. In 1952, it was reactivated for animal disease research by the US Army. This is mind-blowing. Do you guys know about Operation Paperclip? 

No, no

Okay, so apparently, as part of Operation Paperclip, 1600 German scientists, engineers and technicians were given asylum in the United States between 1945 and 1959. 

You know who this sounds like? Colleen? 

Bucky? 

Yeah, Hydra, Hydra, if you will. Any Marvel fans out there? 

I don't know what you're talking about. So one of these scientists, I mean I guess I knew like, right, we had, we know Einstein, we talked about Einstein coming over here, but like I didn't know that we just were like Nazis, come join us because you have brains, brains. We were just going to ignore the fact that you were a Nazi and let you come over here. Yeah, so one of those Surprise, yeah, I mean I guess I'm not, but this is not publicized, right? 

One of these Nazis was Eric Traub. I don't speak German, so apologies for that pronunciation. Right, he had a secret lab in the Baltic and was investigating ways to poison Soviet cattle. So he had conducted experiments using ticks and insects and he came up with this concept of like why don't we inject these ticks with diseases and then release them as bio weapons? So he's doing this during the war Over and over. We say come on over, you know what? We're going to give you this island with a research lab and just like, let you have control of it and do your thing. Yeah, sounds right, sounds like a great idea. Let's give this Nazi a multi-million dollar lab with unfettered access to transensible diseases. 

And his own private island, yeah, yeah, wild. 

So, as far as the public is aware, the purpose of choosing this location is because there was a law banning the study of foot and mouth disease on the mainland. So again, we know about hand, foot and mouth disease. Foot and mouth disease has not existed in like our parents' lifetime, maybe not their parents' lifetime. Yeah, like smallpox, yeah, but I've got a vaccine. I've been injected against that. Of course you have. I'm good to go. Yeah, smallpox by the government. Do you think they injected a tracker jacker? We can't piece our castig on here because it's like the Nazi gold. So foot and mouth disease is an extremely contagious virus that can be passed between hooved animals so sometimes they call it like hoof and mouth disease and from person to hooved animals. However, foot and mouth disease was eradicated in 1929. So tell me guys, why in 1952 did they decide they needed to invest millions of dollars into studying the disease? Wait, I have a question. 

I want to know more about this disease. How was it eradicated in 1929?   Like what did they do? Well, it just doesn't exist on our hemisphere.  It does exist elsewhere. 

Oh

It doesn’t exist in the United States. 

Oh, new fear, I get it. A new fear, I'm about to spiral. 

It's not been around for 100 years, Kait, so don't spiral. So apparently there were outbreaks in Canada and Mexico and they're like well, that's why we were studying it, because there were outbreaks, but those didn't happen until later in the 1950s 

Liars

Yeah! 

I will say let's give them some credit. Two researchers in the facility did actually develop the first foot and mouth vaccine, which did not require live virus, because the whole reason it has to be out there is like we don't want it to get transmitted, right and so if they had a vaccine but if it required a live virus, that's no good. You could still spread it. So it was kind of a big deal that they were able to produce this inactivated vaccine. So that's kind of a big deal, I guess, because then you can actually safely develop and manufacture it. But still, I'm just like, why was there so much stress on this virus that hadn't even, like, really impacted us in a long time?

Okay, so back to the history of Plum Island. So this Nazi scientist becomes the like godfather of Plum Island, and again they allege that they were only ever working on disease defense. Then, in 1993, Newsday, which is the daily Long Island newspaper, it releases documents proving that there was biologic warfare experiments happening during the Cold War and the you, I mean, does this sound so familiar though also? Yeah, I actually knew this all yeah no it's like all the things like didn't happen. 

It's kind of like MK Ultra, right? didn't happen, didn't happen… just kidding, it sort of happened. I like I just saw this meme that was, like you know, didn't happen. Didn't happen 50 years go by. Okay, Well, it did happen, Right. 

So they're going to like declassify this, but no one, no one's going to care anymore, right, yeah, okay. So they claim like 1969 Nixon said no offensive biologic warfare. They're like, yeah, we've abided to that. We find out in 1993, that's not true. But they swear that was all in the past, that was during the Cold War. We haven't done that since the nineties. They actually let these Russian scientists come and inspect the facility because they want to like prove to them. I don't know, what do you think of that? I feel like how couldn't you just like clean up? 

Yeah, people come and inspect my work, you like every two years and you know what we do Just clean up. We know when they're coming. We make it look nice, yeah, and we're trained for like months on like things. 

All the things that we usually do. We're not going to do them because the inspectors are coming Right, yeah. So then in 2002, it became known as the Plum Island Animal Disease Center, which falls under the Department of Homeland Security. What, yeah, we're doing some defensive like infection research. But interesting Department of Homeland Security and science and technology office of national laboratories. In 2008, the first Montauk monster washed ashore. So we talked about this. We actually posted a picture on our website and on Instagram. You guys remember the Montauk monster?

The demidog!

It could be a raccoon, could be a monster, could be a chupacabra Is that how you say it? Chupacabra? Yep, okay. So I think that prompted theories like was there experimentation happening? Were they cross breeding? I actually don't. When I looked at the Montauk monster, I think I agree there's probably a raccoon that was like bloated in the ocean Raccoon. So I don't know if I believe that there's like cross breeding. You know cross breeding research happening, but that's the theory. 

In 2010, there were reports of a security guard discovering the corpse of a human like monster with, quote, really long web fingers and holes in his skull, indicating he had potentially undergone neurosurgery. But then there's like not a lot of other information. So it sounds to me like maybe somebody with like Marfan syndrome washed ashore, because then there's one article where it's like no, I mean, they just say it's a man with long fingers and that's it. At one point it's like a white man, and then in a different article it's like a black man. I'm like it's probably just like a decomposed man coming from New York or something washed ashore, but there's no photos of that, I think respectfully, so we can only see the animals of the, or the photos of the animals. And then another interesting fact. So Aafia Siddiqui was an MIT trained neuroscientist working for Al Qaeda, who was captured in Afghanistan in 2009.  In her handbag, were handwritten notes referring to mass casualty attacks with multiple US targets and you know what was on that list? 

What?

Plum Island. What does she know that is happening on Plum Island that would make it a worthwhile target for a terrorist attack? 

In 1978, there was an accidental release of foot and mouth disease into some of the cattle in the holding pens outside the laboratory facility. So again, I'm not claiming that anything was intentional, but can you? I mean it sounds like someone's maybe mishandling some lab specimen. Have we heard that before? There have Uh-huh, but they did eradicate the 200 cattle to prevent any spread. 

There's also some theories that it might not have been foot and mouth disease but a different biologic weapon. I don't find any proof of that, but that's what's online. Uh, in 2004, there were two unintentional releases of foot and mouth disease, but the government claims that it was all contained within Plum Island. Uh, and Bush the Bush administration, as in eight is the one who came out and was like hey, we got to fess up. We had some leaks, but everything's been contained. We're all good, yep, george, ms George W, Ms George W. So we know they weren't always great with avoiding mishaps, you know. So we do know that TRUB was experimenting with using ticks to spread disease as a possible bioweapon, and there have now been some partially declassified records indicating a number of research studies looking at the disbursement of ticks and fleas as possible vectors for infection. 

Oh, my God, well isn't… did they get this idea like from the bubonic plague, you know? Like where the fleas bit the mice, fleas bit the rats and then the fleas bit the humans? Right yeah, the rat was infected, bit the rat, then came and bit the human Gotcha. That's how. I wonder if this was a thought, maybe because it was so hard to track down, like how the bubonic plague was being spread? 

Yeah, so here are some of the tests that we do know took place, okay. 1954, Operation Big Itch

Oh my God, 

Great name

I cannot

A series of tests in Utah were performed to see if fleas could be used as a vector for biologic warfare. They built these like quote bombs where they would put 100 to 200,000 leaves. They would have guinea pigs on the ground and then their goal was like if we drop this bomb full of fleas, will they infect the guinea pigs? 

I don't like it. 

So Operation Dropkick in 1956 in Savannah, reportedly residents consented to participating, allegedly, and they released uninfected female mosquitoes and then they just like, tracked the reports of mosquito bites. Did the same thing a couple years later in Florida, Florida, where they released a million mosquitoes 

Oh my God,

Do we think Zika? 

So like, well, these weren't infected. Oh…

Because where did Zika come from? 

Yeah, so these weren't infected. They were just bugs but they were like. They were just like mosquitoes but they were like can we track how we could spread them Right? 1956, operation May Day. We have an uninfected yellow fever mosquitoes released in Savannah to track their dispersal. Oh my gosh. Operation Big Buzz. 1955, 330,000 uninfected mosquitoes in Georgia, again tracking the spread, and they were like, oh look, they made it 2,000 feet away, like they were able to track all that and the scariest one, I think, which is kind of taking us back to. We talked a little bit on Chemtrails about the boat in San Francisco…

Oh yeah. 

Yeah, so they did a similar study Operation Magic Sword in 1965, and they released mosquitoes off a boat and found that they were able to travel three and a half miles with the assistance of ocean winds. And they so they're like, wait, we could do like we could get in a boat, take these mosquitoes across an ocean to someone we were fighting a war with and then release these infected mosquitoes and use that as warfare. Oh my gosh. 

I'm never going to trust a mosquito bite again. 

That's exactly how I feel. 

I feel like I'm going to see a swarm of mosquitoes and be like the government, like this yeah, forget birds, Colleen. 

I don't trust the bugs. There's a lot more bugs than there are birds.

And they're a lot more like you, microscopic, like you can't see them. 

Oh gosh, yeah. How many times do you get home and you're like scratching a bite you didn't know you had. 

Yeah yeah. 

A September 1945 memo to the secretary award detailed a number of accomplishments regarding bio weapons. The United States had mass produced a number of pathogens, including bacillus anthrax Anthrax. Anthrax had developed cluster bombs to spread the pathogens and had instructed facilities for the large scale production of pathogens to target crops and people. They alleged that much of this took place in Fort Detrick, Maryland. 

Crops? Crop fields? Crops? I'm sorry, crops? And where's cancer from? 

As a reminder, we did talk about in, like the Montauk and Chemtrails episode, that Nixon had done this ban in 1969 and we weren't allowed to research biologic weapons. However, in 1975, so six years later the US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence released a report. The CIA had maintained a stockpile of biologic agents and toxins, in violation of Nixon's orders.

Of course. 

So we know they were up to no good, right, right oh my God, just like you know, the CIA was told to stop the MK project. 

MK Ultra

MK Ultra 

Oh my God. So two examples of tick-borne illnesses that were spread from Plum Island. So the first one is Lyme disease and this really is. There's a lot of back and forth online about whether or not Lyme disease was created by our government and really like in and worked on in Plum Island and perhaps accidentally released, and I 100% believe it was. Yeah, okay, thanks, so I believe it already. 

As a reminder uh, :yme disease is a vector-borne illness caused by the bacteria Borellia and it is usually transmitted to humans via ticks. So 70 to 80% of people who get Lyme disease from this bacteria will develop erythema migrans, which is that like bullseye rash within a week and then usually that progresses. You'll get fever, headaches, tiredness, joint stiffness, palpitations, potentially memory issues. So Borellia, the bacteria we know, has been around for thousands of years. Like they found it present on, like um, fossilized remains, but no one had ever had like Lyme disease illness like we know it to be until the 70s, no one was ever getting sick from Lyme disease. Like you would maybe be exposed to this bacteria. It was present, not infecting you. 

Well, so what you're saying? Is it needed a vector to infect us 

>aybe needed a little um scientific manipulation. 

Yeah, so uh. The first diagnosis of Lyme disease was not until 1975 in Lyme, Xonnecticut where the first outbreak occured. Do you guys see the map I posted on the shared drive. Scroll down. Yep

Okay, so look, look at that. Look at where Lyme, Connecticut, is, and look where Plum Island is. 

Oh my, God, that's so close. 

Right, it's so... It's like a 10, 10 miles or something, but it's this island in the water and then directly north of it, 10 miles north, right on the coast, is Lyme, Connecticut. So like if you had a boat and you left your island, you left Plum Island in this boat and sailed across a straight north, you would hit Lyme, Connecticut. 

You know what is it also on Long Island? 

What?

Montauk.

Well, that's why they're thinking the Plum Island.. The Montauk monster originated from Plum Island and washed ashore. 

Yeah, yeah, I just want to say that I did relook at that Demidog. It’s face looks very strange, like I don't know if it looks like a dog or a raccoon. I think it's not like…

It’s teeth are peeled back!

It has like maybe more beaver. 

No, I think it's just definitely a bloated, partially decomposed something. 

But Do they have mountain lions up there? 

I don't know, because. It's really confusing because when you read about Plum Island, they talk about how, like any wildlife is shot on site because they want to prevent the spread of these diseases, but then they talk about how. Now I'm talking, I'm going to tell you later how they're relocating Plum Island and –

The whole island?

Well, we'll get into it, but they're talking about how perhaps they'll use the island when they relocate the laboratories. I'm sorry, no, I see what you're asking me now…We're not going to shift that piece of land, but when they move this research station, which they are in the process of doing, it sounds like they're like, well, maybe we can make this like a wildlife sanctuary. So I'm really confused. Is there a whole bunch of wild animals on this island or are they shooting them all on site? I don't know. Very confusing. 

I don't like this. They should not be doing this to the animals. I don't trust it at all. Even the little bugs I don't like the bugs. 

But so again, when you look at this map which Colleen will post for you guys, if you have a boat you go straight north. You're going to hit Lyme Connecticut. So it definitely makes sense that perhaps, like Traub was was developing the Lyme disease as we know it with this bacteria injecting it into ticks. And then I'm not saying it was intentional, but maybe some of these ticks got out, you know.

Hmm

Sound familiar? 

Yep. 

So allegedly the government was like ‘no, we were just performing gain of function studies in the in the fifties with Borrelia bacteria.’ 

Sounds like something that's happened in our recent future. 

Mm, hmm, I mean I probably. 

Recent history. the present. Well, in the last few years. 

Yeah yeah, I mean, sounds very familiar

Like I wouldn't even know the gain of function before 2020, you know?

Yeah

Villiam Bergdorfer was an NIH scientist, for whom the bacteria that causes Lyme disease again, that's Borrelia, is named because, you know, these bacteria's all have complicated names, so it's Borrelia burgdorfi, oh, uh-huh. So in 2013, he was recorded saying that Lyme was not a naturally occurring germ that was spread by natural causes. Cause, right now, people are like… 

If we didn't create Lyme disease, why suddenly do we have so much Lyme disease? 

Right, and the government has claimed, like you know, we've had an increase in deer population, we have global warming, which is causing, you know, animals to move further north. But this guy, William Bergdorfer, who the bacteria is named for, he was on video in 2013 saying it was created in military lab for the purpose of harming humans and animals and somehow it got out. 

Oh, my God

He's dead now. 

Of course, he's dead

So we can't question him. 

How did he die? 

Well, full disclosure. I knew you were going to ask, so I did look it up because it sounds very suspicious. He had Parkinson's, so Parkinson's 

Or something that looks like Parkinson's. 

Or did he happen to have Parkinson's? But also, that's not what killed him. You know.

Hmm

I don't know

Hmm

Interesting, that's very interesting. 

The Yale School of Public Health claims that the epidemic is caused by ecologic changes that have allowed deer, sticks and bacterium to invade. We now have, like much stricter hunting restrictions and fewer predators, so we're not like taking out all these deers like we used to. Right and again, climate change is maybe allowing these animals to survive. The cold winters move further north and a lot of the wildlife that couldn't survive up north in like New England have been able to move 28 miles further north as a result of global warming. That's like going to keep happening, I don't know. Oh, that's interesting. So they're saying that's why, like New England has so much Lyme disease. 

You're like, do they? 

No, I know. 

No, she said it!

Rocky Mountain fever

That's different. 

Yeah, yeah, that's different. 

Rocky Mountain spotted fever Isn't that? From ticks? 

Yes, that's another tickborne. That's the one, actually, that I wanted to research and then there was like not any evidence about it. Like I was like, oh, this came from the government, but then when I started reading about it I was like, wait, there's so much on Lyme disease, right? 

I thought there was just so much Lyme stuff there just because of how the woods was. 

Yeah, the deer, yeah, but there were no Lymes before 1975. That's crazy. 

Yeah, but global warming

Megan, that makes me question everything right now. 

Yeah

Question global warming.

Yeah, no I believe in global warming.

I know global warming is a thing, but, like it, just what won't they use? 

I do think, I 100% believe in global warming and I think we need to make some adjustments. But I do think it's also like. It's kind of like when you, when you got bad for customer service and it was like supply chain issues. Right now it's like global warming, like everything is just because of global warming, right?

Yeah. I Just think, yeah, no, I think, like, like you said, global warming is real, I think we believe in global warming, but is it the cause of all these things? Like I think it's real, but I also think it's politicized often.

Yeah, in the 1980s, preserved insect and animal samples found on shelter island and Long Island contained bacteria that were raced back to the timing of Traub's tick research, so kind of confirming that obviously they were injecting bacteria into these, like into these fleas, ticks, mosquitoes.  And again, I'm not alleging that they like intentionally released them, but it does seem like there was some research happening that was not contained. 

There's some, there's some kind of connection. 

Correct

The National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal year 2022 - So I guess you know they make this budget like over a year in advance, included an investigation into the DoD's possible weaponization of ticks and other insects with Lyme disease. Representative Chris Smith from Jersey. I guess he introduces amendment that said, in the spirit of transparency and accountability, my amendment directs the government accountability office to probe whether the Department of Defense ever weaponized ticks with Lyme disease or any other dangerous pathogen. There was a senator from Maine who spoke out in support. It’s very confusing to me because it seems like this budget didn't pass but there was an act that did pass that was like, looking at this, like we, we do need to investigate

Right, and then I'm like… well, it's been a couple years, what's been going on? And when I look into it. All you see online is like the research that's been done from this funding into diagnosis and treatment, not a lot on like where did it originate from? 

I mean that makes sense, because I mean I tried to stop it now. But, yeah, right, it's like I know we don't want to talk about 2020, but it is like when people start saying like, oh, like that it was made in the lab or whatever, I'm like it doesn't matter, it's still here. Yeah, like we still need to treat people, have COVID now. You know, like that was like my stance on it. Like why are we fighting about where it came? 

Yeah, no, I think the priority is not like where did it come from? But I do think that is. You do have to figure that out, right, because you have to be like okay, so something was miss handling in a lab. How can we make sure that's not gonna happen again? Yeah, like epidemiological? Yeah, that's the key. Some systems changes, right, yeah. But again, I think this is the thing that government just declassified something 50 years later and no one cares anymore, because while everyone cared 50 years ago, we've got so many other things to worry about.

Right, because you know people have political agendas they have to push, you know so that's what I've got on Lyme disease. You guys with me on on thinking that, oh they are 100% made in. 

Yeah, also to be like so arrogant that you think that you can control these like Tiny little bugs they're not like cattle, where you can tag them and you know where they are, like to know, or like even Inject them with like a little tracker. Like these are like, please, that you can't see one thing, that's like course they're gonna get out. 

That's like pretty much what they were trying to do with all these mosquitoes tests, right, like oh, just report to us If you get a mosquito bite. 

I would love to know how many people from the lab got Lyme disease. 

You just like prophylax everyone with Doxy in the lab. Okay, so that was the first alleged, you know infection to come out of this lab in Plum Island.

Right

And then we have the African Swine Fever. So this is a highly contagious and usually lethal virus that only infects pigs. It causes hemorrhagic fevers with death within one week of contraction. It's transmitted between ticks and pigs. Cannot be transmitted to humans like swine flu, can. That's why this is called the African swine flu fever. 

This, oh, I'm sick again

Again Terrifying. 

Yeah, this sounds so scary

Yeah so the idea is that this infects pigs but it like will ruin your entire. Yeah, like Flock of pigs? 

No, but like you're … it could impact a whole countrys like access to food, right? 

Okay, so it’s a drove, a drove of pigs. 

Oh, is that what we call them? 

My god, I've never heard. It's a drift or drove. A group of young pigs is called a litter. A group of hogs is called a passell or a team. A group of swine is called a sounder. I do have to say this have you guys ever heard of like pigs giving birth and eating their babies? 

Oh. 

It is a regular thing. 

Well, what did you guys tell me? What was the deal with it? So cats will eat you right away, dogs will eat you later. Dogs will wait. 

Yeah, dogs will wait, like cats will like. You won't even be cold and the cats chow down. And you know what? Then he can't eat me. He's allowed. I would rather him live. You know, if I'm already dead and he's starved, I don't want Tanner to eat me. Yeah, I don't want Murphy to eat me. I don't think Murphy would. 

I don't think Tanner would eat me either and him Tanner would be like, yeah, he just be losing his mind.

When people, people would know something's wrong, cuz Tanner would yapping, yapping, yapping, yapping, yapping. Oh, and then somebody would like… what is that mean?  No I feel like he would sound the alarm and then somebody would come find you

And Murphy would just like curl up with you

Yeah hmm, Murphy's not telling anybody

I hope Benny is eating my feet first at least. 

So back to the, the African swine fever. Okay, so in 1971 there was an African swine fever outbreak in Cuba, leading to the forced slaughter of over 500,000 pigs To prevent a nationwide epidemic. This was the first and only time the virus had hit the Western hemisphere. No humans were injured, but Cuba was unable to produce pork for many months, and we know that, like the Cubans love their…

Oh yeah, they love their pork. 

Mm-hmm

What did they do with all the dead pigs? 

Just burn them, burn them. 

I don't know. It's a good question. So this was interesting because, up to this point, Cuba was known for pretty strict regulations regarding food handling and, interestingly, the outbreak originated at the exact same time from two separate locations in Cuba. 

So a plant? 

I think so. 

So then, in 1977, this US intelligence source comes forward and he goes ‘yeah, I was given the virus in a sealed, unmarked container at Fort Gulick near the Panama Canal and instructed to hand it over to Anti-Castro terrorists’. 

What? 

Six weeks later, the outbreak occurred. Newsday, which we talked about earlier, they kind of like broke the story on Plum Island. Yeah, that's the Long Island newspaper. It published a story with multiple witnesses describing how it was transported. So they were able to kind of like track all these different people who transported it from place to place. Wow, crazy. So they, like I, went from Plum Island to Fort Detrick, to Fort Gulick before traveling to Cuba, with a stop at this deserted American territory of Navassa Island, which is somewhere between Jamaica and Haiti. So six days later, shocker, the CIA releases an official denial mm-hmm, uh-huh. But the paper didn't even release like a Retraction because they had so much evidence and like so many sources. Right, they're like we're standing by the story and everyone. It's one of these. It's like Like JFK, that we all know that we're not getting the real story Right. Government just is gonna die on that hill. So it is what it is. 

Who was it who told me, once you become president, you are privy to, like all the secret. What happened to JFK? 

Who told me that? 

Not me. Oh no, but JFK is coming. Guys, I've gone down that rabbit hole.

I can't wait. 

So, again, the first outbreak ever in the Western Hemisphere. Do you know? The only place where we are known to have this virus, the only place in the Western Hemisphere where the African swine fever virus was available…

Oh God

Was on Plum Island. 

No

We know this infection is in Plum Island. All of a sudden we're having issues with Cuba. Cuba has an outbreak, not from one location, but from two separate locations. 

Plum Island has it?

Well, plum Island had access to it.

Oh my gosh. 

So I Sounds to me like the Americans did it.

Yeah.

Yeah. 

So those are kind of the two, those were the two big infections I was able to track as, like probably being from Plum Island, kind of an update on the situation. So last year they opened a $1.25 billion lab in Kansas. I can't really see when I go online what is happening as far as, like, the transition, like where we are in that transition, but the ultimate goal was to transfer all of that research that was happening on Plum Island to this Kansas City lab. It's like in Manhattan, kansas Beard. I have a lot of concerns about that. First of all, kansas is the middle of the country. Yeah, like I guess also you allege that cropss are grown in the middle of the country. Yeah, you're allege that you're, like only studying animal infections. Like, aren't there a lot of cattle and animals in Kansas? 

There's so much of our like meat. Well, in five years, when an outbreak comes out of the middle of America, we'll be sitting here recording our next episode Proving it. Yeah, so I guess Manhattan, kansas is like directly west of. Kansas City,

Manhattan, kansas. I think it's a university…

It says Kansas State

Kansas State, so I think it's like on the Kansas State campus. That's not making me uncomfortable or anything. That's crazy. And what? As far as again, there's a lot of chatter about what they're gonna do with this Plum Island and one of the things like a nature preserve, which again really confuses me, because haven't you been like offing all these animals on sight? 

Oh, my God, and makes me worried that food sources.

Yeah

And Plum Island is designated a level three laboratory and that means that officially they can only study infections that can be transmitted like animal to animal. They can't study any infections that go like animal to human. 

Uh-huh

Again allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. 

But when they move to Kansas which again they may have already moved to Kansas or at least in the process of moving to Kansas it's going to be designated a level four laboratory, meaning they can study animal diseases that are transmitted to humans. So, like you've already well, we know they're already doing this with like Lyme disease and stuff, right. Right, but you've already proven, you've already had outbreaks of hoof and mouth or foot and mouth disease, right, we've already had these mosquitoes disappear that have infections. And now we're like let's just like move to the middle of the country and up the ante and, like, study some more dangerous infections. 

You know where Manhattan, Kansas, is? Close to the Denver airport. 

Oh, it's all related. 

Do you think the tunnels connect? 

They probably did. 

They probably were like, let's make sure that everyone can escape when there's an outbreak

Exactly 

Anyone who's an Illuminati or Free Mason or in the New World Order will just like go down into the tunnels and flee to Denver airport. Anyway, that's what I have. So are you guys going to sleep well tonight? What are you thinking? 

I'm never going to trust a bug ever again. 

Oh, it's seven hours away. It just looks close on a map. 

Well, I was like also in the Denver episode, when I was like I can believe the tunnels and you were like it's over a hundred miles, and I was like, okay, well, maybe not, but when you do look at the map it looks really close. Yeah, this just again. I think we already know that the government does some of these things and they cover them up and Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, I mean, I 100% believe Plum Island is up to no good and I think that not that they were intentionally trying to. Well, obviously they were intentionally trying to attack Cuba, but not that they were intentionally trying to attack their own people. But I think things happen when you're dealing with mosquitoes and fleas. 

I don't understand why they have to do it in Kansas. I mean, can't they go to like the middle of the ocean on a boat?

I'm sure they start like I mean, that's kind of where they were, was like on this island and that was Right, but it was pretty close to land. Close enough to hit Lyme, Connecticut. 

That's why I'm like can't they go to like some of these territories? 

But also, why are you doubling down on like we're only doing defensive research and we're only doing these like benign studies, Like it's so benign but you had to be on an island to do? 

Like what I mean it's. It's giving me no more. It's propaganda. They're just telling us what we want to hear. America could never do anything bad or wrong. You know we're always in defense. 

I mean, this just goes. I feel like the things I'm learning on this podcast about the CIA are blowing my mind. Yeah, blowing my mind. Yes, I would say a couple of years ago if someone was like oh, the CIA, like Kate, would always be, like, cia can do anything. And I was like and now I'm like, the CIA has done everything, yeah, yeah. 

No, I'm telling you now.  I'm telling you now. S

o what's our, what are our polls going to be, Kait, do we prove it to you? Lyme disease. 

The polls are. Lyme disease was made on Plum Island and accidentally like got out. Yes, we believe that Two Lyme disease occurs only because of global warming and all the animals migrating up north. Three, plum Island is only doing gain of function research. 

Don't trust it. 

Well, thanks for joining us, and that's an interesting one, Meg. 

Yeah, thanks, 

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