Missing Malaysian Flight MH370: Part II

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On March 8, 2014, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 took off in the early hours of the morning as the red eye flight from Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia, with an intended destination of Beijing, China.  There were 227 passengers on board, with 12 crew members.  The pilot in command, 53 year old Captain Zaharie Shah, was performing a final instructional flight for 27 year old co-pilot, First Officer Fariq Hamid.  It was a clear, calm night, and the flight was initially uneventful.  At cruising altitude of 35,000 feet, the flight was leaving Malaysian Air Space and was instructed to transfer to the air traffic control tower in Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam.  At 0119, Captain Shah radioed the Air Traffic Controllers in Malaysia “Good night, Malaysian 370”.  That was the last verbal contact with anyone on the plane.   Approximately 103 seconds later, the aircraft went dark and vanished from all radar screens in Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok, and Ho Chi Minh City.  There were two transponders onboard the plane, so to disappear, both transponders would need to cease functioning - either by catastrophic failure or by manual override by someone on the plane.  It was over 20 minutes before anyone noted the plane was missing.  It did not arrive for its 6:30AM ETA, and only had enough fuel to fly until approximately 8:15 AM.  The most expensive search and rescue operation in aviation history was initiated. To this day, we do not know where the airplane is, or what happened to the 239 souls on board.  An extensive safety report was released which did not answer many questions and had inconclusive findings.  They denied suspecting any crew was involved, and reported that air traffic control was delayed in noting the missing plane.  Theories vary, from a hijacking or suicide mission, to a military operation, and a plethora of questions still exist.   One thing is for sure, evidence of shoddy investigative work and potential cover-ups abound.  What really happened to MH370 in the early morning hours of March 8 , 2014?

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We will replay the summary for you, but again… if you haven’t listened – go back and listen!  There was a lot of information provided last week on the disappearance of MH370.  Today we are going to discuss the theories that are out there and what we each think happened!

So as a reminder, we had this disappearance in 2014. And a year goes by, and we have not found the plane. 

Right, No one knows what happened. And so that's kind of when the conspiracy theories start coming. 

Yeah, of course. 

So we talked about the pilot theory, which was one of Colleen's theories. 

Right. She had a combination theory. Remind us of your theory colleen.

My first initial thought was that it was a suicide situation. And now I'm thinking it was like a purposeful suicide situation where he had to crash the plane for something. Like maybe the plane was carrying something or it was a mission kind of thing. 

Okay. Well, we'll talk about the pilot theory. I mentioned last week about the questions about the status of his marriage. 

Yeah. 

But what I didn't mention is that he was a pretty vocal political guy. As I said, he had quite a social media presence. And he followed the leader of this opposition party who had actually been tried and sentenced the date prior for sodomy.   And there were some reports that Captain Shaw might have actually been in the courtroom for this verdict reading. So people theorized the motivation here could have been political.

Sentenced for sodomy? What is this? Like the 1500s? 

I know the definition of sodomy but I thought in court cases it usually referenced non-consensual acts of sodomy.  

I thought sodomy referred to anal sexual encounters?

Well, I think it does refer to anal sex, but in general I think it’s only actually illegal when it’s non-consensual.

Are you sure?

You know what?  We have a friend of the pod – Emilie, who works in the court system with sexual offenders.  I’m going to ask her.  

Update, the political leader was guilty of sodomizing a male aid.  

Interesting.

Without his consent? 

Doesn’t say.  Who knows.  Maybe opinions and laws are different in Malaysia.

Well back on track - the reason I have kind of a hard time assuming this is like politically driven on his part is that there was no note, there was no message, like you would think the purpose would be to like die a martyr, right? But you're not a martyr

No. 

And there was really no evidence in his personal life of him being an extremist. I mean he posted political stuff like everyone 

I mean, not like us

No we don’t post political stuff

No, but we all have a lot of friends who do, right? 

Yeah

Doesn't necessarily mean that you're like an extremist and going to kill all these people. So I don’t buy into this theory, but some people do.  That it was a politically motivated murder/suicide.  I don’t buy into it.

And you said all of the other Malaysian air crew members who have worked with them in the past and not believed he was involved. 

Right. There were also some other crazy theories, like maybe there was a UFO.  Maybe it was stuck into a black hole. It's somewhere in the Cambodian jungle. The Americans did it. 

The Russians did it.

Yeah, all of that. So theory number one, the pilot theory. 

I like the black hole theory 

There's a time travel theory for you, too, Kait.
Loki? Did it go into the time tunnel? 

Well back on track - so the pilot theory. So again, motivation for this would be potentially protesting the incarceration of the opposition leader that he had supported the day prior. So people think he might have wanted to make a statement, but I don’t think it’s much of a statement if you don't give your motivation. And I guess this theory kind of strengthened with that 22 - minute holding pattern that came out a few years ago because perhaps he was giving a message to someone

The government perhaps?

Perhaps!

And they just covered it up and didn’t tell us?  Likely story.  

That makes sense. 

Yeah. That definitely makes sense, especially now knowing that the Prime Minister of Australia was like “yeah it was a murder suicide”

Also, as Capt Fred pointed out, it is not in the airlines best interest to let people know they had a crazy pilot working for them, particularly so far up.  And Malaysian Airlines is pretty critical to the Malaysian economy – I read that they are very proud of their airline.  

Yeah, that makes sense why they would cover it up, they don’t want the negative conotation associated with their airline.

So if we believe the pilot theory, regardless of whether his motivation was suicide, or politics or whatever…  So the theory goes that you know they he says good night to the air traffic controllers in Malaysia and he's supposed to transfer over to Ho Chi Minh Vietnam and at that point he says to his copilot  “hey, do you want to go grab us some coffee?”

Yeah, help get us through the overnight flight.

Yeah, or maybe he goes to the bathroom.  Regardless, the copilot gets up leaves and the pilot locks him out, and we all know post 9/11, once you’re out of the cockpit you have to be let back in. there's an override code and if that code is not acknowledged within 30 seconds then the door is going to open.  So this is like a backup plan. So I guess if you're like pilot dies and there's no one in the cockpit, you can override and get into the cockpit but also it allows you to block people who you don't want in.  So now he has control of the plane, and at that point Shah took the opportunity to turn off all of his radar or transponders.  

Oh, and he chose that spot because he knew being in “no mans land” would buy him time before anyone noticed they were missing.

Yeah, That makes sense. 

And we talked about the transponders going off how this could have been it would have to be a catastrophic event or manually done, and then the satcom got turned off.   

Yeah

And one thing that points this being potentially manually done is that to turn off the satcom, you have to turn off the generator.  So you have to turn off the Satcom you have to turn off the generator. And the generator is controlled by a knob that has multiple settings. And if was a catastrophic event it would have just gone from like on to off.   But it didn’t.  It went through very quickly like a series of other options indicating like it was manually turned off. 

Oh My god Wait, how do they know this the way it like well how it communicated? 

Yeah, it's like there's different transponder settings 

That's crazy 

That's insane .  

Yeah, so then the thought is that he turns off the generator by turning the knob and as a reminder – and by turning off the generator he it cuts off all the sat comms because again the sat comm was kind of like the second thing that they came out and they used to track a little bit more of the flight path.  And so this is also how I told you it would prevent the passengers from being able to make phone calls or send text messages  

Oh my gosh this is terrifying. 

And so then this theory the theory is out there that he depressurized the cabin because… okay this is gonna stress you out. 

Great

So when the little yellow face masks come out of the ceiling from a depressurization, first of all do we all understand depressurization? 

Yes. 

Yeah. 

Okay so when these yellow masks come out it buys you about 10 minutes. 

Oh yeah – I knew that wasn't a life support. 

The goal is like to get 10 minutes through the plane to get down to a lower altitude where you don’t need the supplemental oxygen. 

Yeah. 

Well the crew has tanks that will last them more like 45 minutes to an hour and then the pilots have their own tanks and if there's only one pilot, they have about 27 hours worth of oxygen available to them.  So one of the theories is if he depressurizes cabin, he's got his oxygen supply and he just has to wait out everyone else because it could just be I mean within seconds if you don't put on your oxygen at 35 ,000 feet you just go to sleep.  So they think he opened this outflow valve which would cause a sudden, pressure change and then within 45 minutes he knows that everyone on the plane will be dead.

That's awful like they're suffocating. 

I think it's probably not an unpleasant way to go.  But I think you get hypoxic and like delirious Okay, and then we know he made this aggressive U -turn we know that that could not have been done By autopilot, right? The other thing that makes this theory interesting is that he had been to his oxygen supply had been topped off that day 

Oh my god 

Now I don't know whether he requested that or whether that was routine 

Yeah 

But yeah, he had a full 27 hours of oxygen for the for the cockpit 

This is like that's insane. 

If this is true. This is like pre -meditated, this is disgusting 

So then well, can that's kind of why I actually have a hard time time with this because it's one thing to be suicidal but like it's another thing to be homicidal. 

Yeah. It's a takedown of hundreds of people. 

There was like a two year old on board. I don't knowl. The other part of this story, is that he did have this flight simulator at home. And pretty early on, the American FBI and the American CIA take this flight simulator from his house and study it. And they find this path that looks to be the same route as this plane took. Initially, that information is not released. Two and a half years go by and then there's a leak. Like, oh yeah, you know, that path is the same. But I guess it turns out that it's not necessarily accurate, that it's more like there are multiple locations on that path that he accessed at various times, but not necessarily like one consecutive flight.  It's like a mishmash of other flights that he had simulated. And so they still, the Malaysians still say like, that's not true. We don't have evidence that he had practiced this route.

That's crazy. 

But that is something that people are like, well, that's super sketchy. When you look at the images which they released, the simulated route looks pretty similar to the predicted flight path – but again, probably not accurate. But why the odd release of information?  Were they covering something up?  Or did they just think, this data is going to be misinterpreted by the public so let’s withhold it?  

Hmmm

Yeah, I don't know. 

There is a story about a co-pilot in an Ethiopian airline who hijacked a plane in 2014. And he waited for the captain to go to the bathroom and he locked him out and then he was able to diverge to Switzerland and seek asylum.  So this has happened before where the pilot has locked the other pilot out of the cockpit and hijacked the plane.  And if you do believe this theory, then at some point with that generator off to turn off the satcom - he couldn't just leave the generator off because the plane is going to over heat. We know the plane flew for six more hours. So he would at some point have to turn the generator back on. And so that's probably what happened. And again, this inmarsat data had never been used to locate a plane before, so people probably didn't know that was an option.   And so maybe he just wanted to disappear. He turned off this generator, let some time go on. He turned the generator back on. And he just thought, well, no one's going to be able to see me, because we almost didn’t figure out the flight path until years later. Thoughts?

And then the alternative theory is that the plane ran out of fuel and lost power just before 8:10 AM, and the emergency engine automatically cut on to help the pilot (assuming there was one).  And remember there was that last handshake ping at 8:11 AM? So every other ping had come from Australia. Like, Australia initiates a handshake and sends it to the plan.  Well that 8:11 ping, originated from the plane, as though perhaps the system shut down but then came back on.

oh my god

Wow  

Now again, when I read all of these articles and look at different theories about how the plane went down, again if it was like a controlled or uncontrolled, if it was a glide or a downgrade, they don't really know what happened. These people who interpreted the pings claim that it tells them that the plane was in a violent nose dive, which would mean the flapperon would have flown off the plane before it hit the ocean and that's why it's not damaged. 

That's crazy. 

So that is the intentional pilot theory. And Captain Fred, validated that all of that made sense and could have happened. 

Damn. It does make sense. 

It does make a lot of sense, yeah. 

It's also sociopathic. 

Yeah, but again, that's kind of why I have a hard time believing that. I mean, as I just went over it with you guys, I was like, wait, maybe this is a pretty valid. But I just cannot believe that this guy lived a normal life with a wife and kids and all these co -workers. I mean, you'd have to be such a sociopath to fool all these people and then just be like, I'm going out and I'm taking a plane full of people. I don't know, like there could have been like... I mean, aren't pilots like, I don't know, a lot of them narcissists? 

Well yeah, and I know pilots often hide any kind of health or mental health issues so that they can keep flying. 

He could have very easily had been struggling and like putting up a front. You know what I mean? Like, all his family says, oh, he was fine.  Maybe he wasn’t fine and he ept that to himself.  

Yeah, I think his family would certainly not want to believe their dad is capable of killing all of these people.  And rhere's probably some financial like insurance issues about like an accidental death receiving money versus a murder suicide. 

I didn't think about that. 

I think sometimes there's a lot of shame in suicide, too. Like, I don't know the culture of that country, but I do know that that can play a part. So maybe they wouldn't even want to admit that he could have been struggling for that part alone. 

OK, so an alternative theory was that there could have been some sort of sudden disruption leading to a catastrophic failure. So this is kind of what we talked about. If you had cargo that had set on fire, specifically there were electronics in the cargo bin, which could have been lithium batteries. But guys, these lithium batteries, they were being shipped from Motorola. 

Shut up. Motorola?

It all comes full circle with motorola.  We don’t trust motorola.  But that goes back to what I thought that he might have been transporting something on purpose and crashing it on purpose. 

Well the theory is the lithium batteries might have caught on fire, because that did happen in 2010 to a UPS flight that crashed in Dubai, because this pallet of lithium batteries combusted.

But again, it's hard to support with the debris we have found if you believe this debris, because there really was not a lot of burn marks. There was also a Swiss airline in 1988 that had an electrical fire from wiring issues.  And it kind of presented a very similar way with that sudden loss of contact. But again, hard to say. 

Well, and then that satellite phone got turned back on. So like, that's how the phone got turned back on. So that's kind of hard to explain from a combustion of an aircraft. 

Right, and they wouldn't have made it to 8:11 if they had a fire at one. 

Right, I’m going no on the fire.  

So then, but then on the cargo, the alternative theory, which kind of goes along with Colleen’s theory -  So it was 2 .6 tons of electronics from Motorola. 

That's a lot. 

And it was delivered to the aircraft under escort right before takeoff

Under escort?! 

So this was important shit. 

They did not scan any of these through security. 

Oh, he knew about this.  He crashed it on purpose. 

So the theory is was this problematic cargo that was going to China and perhaps the US wanted to take it down. Trying to prevent China from getting this technology.  This theory was actually presented on the netflix documentary but I am skeptical.  Here is what they said - so there's this one guy, it's actually very sad, there's this Frenchman who was working abroad and he was visiting, he was going to meet his wife and two youngest kids on vacation, or they're coming back for vacation. So they were on the plane, his wife and two kids were on this plane and he was on a different plane and he got to the airport, when he got off the plane they met him and they were like we have to tell you your wife and kids are on this missing flight. 

Oh my god. 

So I cannot imagine, right, and he's like and then I had to call my oldest son, he was studying abroad and his son lost it on the phone, 

I cannot imagine

No. He's hired a lawyer because he says in France once you file like a claim in court, they have to investigate. And so he filed a complaint of like terrorism because that gets the number one priority and then he's like trying to get them to investigate what really happened. But he has this writer who's on his side who has presented this theory. So this Frenchman says that this anonymous source came to him and said, quote, the Americans know full well what happened. 

Oh my god. 

They were near to American AWACS in the area.  So those are the Boeing planes that have the radar mushroom and it monitors, it does surveillance, right? So it monitors everything within 600 kilometers underneath the plane. So allegedly, there were two of these in the area. And then the reporter goes, “and I was talking to this guy who said, you know, AWACS have phenomenal jamming capabilities.”

What does that mean?

Like they can jam the radio of the other plane. But I found multiple sources who say that is inaccurate,  they don’t have that ability.  But this is the theory that they presented, the documentary. So these AWACS approach them and are like, we know you've got this technology, we don't want China to have it, you've got to like, you know, land this plane or whatever, and that the pilot is like, screw you, I'm not listening to you. And just like, goes about his business, but his radio was jammed before the AWACS and so we can't radio for anything. And then as they approach China, Americans are like, we've got to do something. 

Oh, so the idea is that the Americans hijacked the plane. But weren't in the plane. The Americans shot the plane down. 

And they argue the FBI and CIA were involved in this investigation. 

So maybe there was something weird on the airplane and that he was like “Maybe I'm gonna be a national hero today. I'm gonna die for what I believe in” and I’m thinking to depressurized the cabin because he didn’t want the passengers to suffer through the crash, because he knew he was going to have to crash. 

Yeah Well, then that kind of goes to the theory about when he crashed  Whether or not you think he was alive when the plane crashed into the ocean) and people like even if this was a suicide mission he probably would have like depressurized the cabin.  So those are the pilot theories.  Ready for some passenger theories?

Yeah

So there were two passengers who were traveling with fake passports. And so initially they thought perhaps they hijacked this plane. But they were cleared. They were deemed to be escaping Iranand seeking asylum.  They did not appear to have any nefarious motivations so they were kind of cleared. There was also a flight engineer who could have had the expertise to do this, but they also investigated him and allegedly cleared him. 

Alternative options. So before I get into this, let me tell you the other little bomb…

Oh god. 

Oh no. 

Because four months after this flight went missing.  Let's keep in mind that Malaysian Airlines has not had an accident since the 90s. We have this massive loss of life and equipment. Four months later, Malaysian flight MH17 is shot down at the Ukraine border by surface -to -air missile. It was another 777.  Nearly 300 people crashed in Ukraine near the Russian border. It was a flight that was coming from Amsterdam heading towards Kuala Lumpura. So the Russians said, Oh, we didn't have anything to do with that. 

Oh, I remember this in the news actually. It was another Malaysian flight. 

Oh my god. 

Yeah, two accidents in 4 months when you haven't had an issue in two decades. So the Russians denied any involvement. On November 17th, 2022, there was a trial in absentia in the Netherlands. And they did find two Russians and a Ukrainian separatist guilty of murdering all 298 people on flight MH17. 

Oh my gosh.

And that Russia was in control of the separatist forces fighting in Eastern Ukraine at that time. So because, like I said, these were both Boeing 777s, both Malaysian airlines, there were some conspiracy theories that perhaps the plane that crashed in Ukraine was actually Flight 370. It goes back to your Titanic bait and switch. They said that the plane that crashed in Ukraine had structural similarities to MH370. I mean, they were both 777.

No, I don't think that's the truth. I don't think it's the same plane. I think the first time I saw this theory and argued that it was merely coincidental that they both belonged to the same airline and were the same plane. 

But there is this theory because when I showed you guys the seven rings from the pings, we all just assumed it went south over the ocean. But within that radius, he also could have gone north, which is not really supported by the data that came out later.  So if he'd gone north, he could have ended up in Kazakhstan, which is a client state of Russia. And there were three Russians on board this flight. 

Oh, God. 

So one was in first class. So there actually was also a theory that perhaps they hijacked the plane. And at the time this was happening, Russian troops had invaded Crimea. And it was like all over the news. And so one of the theories is like, did they make this plane disappear as like a distraction 

Like “don’t look here, look over there?”

Right, but then what happened to the people?

Yeah, there's no way. A lot of holes in that theory for me.  But I guess they could have done it the same way the pilot could have done it. 

Yeah, made the plane disappear and then plant evidence. 

But the expected flight path now doesn't match it. Okay, and then here's the last theory I have regarding hijackers.

That was my theory! That it was Russian hijackers. 

But do you still feel that way? 

No. 

What do you think now? 

I think it was a murder suicide. 

Okay. Here's what I think. I will say that now presenting this information to you, it makes me a little more like, eh, maybe it was murder suicide. But as I was researching, I just could not get past this, like, it's one thing to kill yourself, another to kill 300 people. And again, what is his motivation? Like, if it's political, why is there no letter? Yeah. But like if you go off the theory that this something was put on his plane that he was like I Do not agree with this. 

Yeah, and then he does circle for 22 minutes. And then the Malaysian government's like yeah, it was a murder suicide four days later 

Yeah, I don't know and it is the most Humane way to kill the passengers. 

Here was my theory going into this recording.  And let me defend myself before you guys roll your eyes at me. I believe that theere was a hypoxic event and this was accidental.

Oh Okay

Because I used to work on airplanes and we would have to go into like the simulation where they would intentionally make you gradually hypoxic and you would have to like do tasks and things. To see how you could do it. Yeah, and you could see other people how like sloppy they get. But how you don't necessarily think that you're being sloppy. And there have been cases. There was the most famous one. It was American Trans Air Flight in 1996 where the plane did not depressurize. And so you know you go through your checklist and you do your tasks.  Your alarm goes off and it's like flip that page of your checklist and you go through it. Step one is don your oxygen. 

Yeah

But in this case there were like four crew members and only one of them donned their oxygen. And then it's like they all kept passing out and then like one would put oxygen on the other. But then they would pass out and the other person would come to. And so in the end this flight was able to land.  But it talks about how like even if you practice for something over and over again. That it is so easy to get confused and irrational if you’re hypoxic.  So I also think that it seems like he really was getting they've really gotten to their cruising altitude about the time they radioed and then lost contact. So my theory was like even if it wasn't a lot maybe they just forgot to pressurize the plane. It's like a slow issue. Maybe there was a leak and it caused a rapid depressurization. But then maybe he was hypoxic and he tried to do a U -turn to get back. To get back to where he landed. But then got sloppy and couldn't land. But he could have been trying to get back and intentionally or unintentionally put cruise control on.

Yeah. But that does not explain the 22 minute holding pattern. 

Yeah, I do want to know about  that. 

That's an interesting theory. 

Well, then there was also a theory that perhaps it wasn't Shah, but Farik?  Like maybe Shah went to get coffee or go to the bathroom - he's like, we finished our communications for the moment. I'm going to go to the bathroom. And then this emergency happened and he couldn't get in to the cockpit - And he's stuck in the lavatory or whatever. And it's like, do I put on this yellow mask? In the bathroom. Or do I just try to get back into the cockpit to help these people, right, be a hero? And that could be legit. And maybe it was this guy who's got 39 flight hours on this plane. And maybe he just didn’t know how to handle this emergency.

That sounds very realistic. But also, something was up with those lithium batteries. 

Yeah, there's something weird about that. They weren't lithium batteries. It was something else. They didn't get checked by security or what. 

Well coming into this I was adamant that it was accidental and this is what happened. I also like that this theory means there are no bad guys.  I

Yeah. It's just a tragic accident. 

And that's much easier to comprehend than like this guy just took down a plane of 300 people. All Because he was lonely?I don't know. I find that hard to believe. But there was also another flight that was more recent in 2005. There's a Cypress airline that was on a flight to Athens. They failed to pressurize the aircraft to take off, which is kind of what I was thinking. And they didn't recognize. So I mean, I think alarms go off that they they pretty much just like we're starved of oxygen, fell asleep, lost consciousness. And then this plane continued to fly for two hours before it crashed into a mountain range. So again, I can believe this happened, but again – I can’t account for those 22 minutes in case someone is And yeah, we can't really account for the 22 minutes, but. Yeah, I feel like the hypoxia makes sense if they turn it around to get back. So maybe they were trying to turn back around for a landing in 30 minutes as opposed to going off over the ocean. And it is such an aggressive turn. A U -turn that makes sense to be like, we got to go back. 

Right. But have  had to have the time to turn that around and not had the time to radio over anyone?

Well, unless they were confused?  Also, remember the other plane that got a transmission on the emergency frequency but couldn’t make out what was being said?

Oh yeah

I still think that he knew what he was carrying on his plane. And he turned it around in the exact spot that would have been the perfect spot to lose communication. Because it was like no man's land.  That's what .

And what about that 27 hours of oxygen in the cockpit?

Well yeah, he would have to have not donned his oxygen.  Like it would have had to have been that he that he was too confused or too slow.

Yeah, because I think an expert would have run his checklist.  

But again, like he was having some mild hypoxia while he was ascending. 

Oh, that does make sense. 

I really also just want to give him the benefit of the doubt, because it’s just nicer to believe that this devastating loss of life was not intentional

Yeah, or he did it nobley - like I cannot in good faith give this to the Chinese government or whatever. Yeah, and I'm sure if it was that serious, I'm sure at the gate. He couldn't have refused to have flown You know what I mean? I'm sure there was a lot of pressure if if this material was like escorted on to the plane.

Do you think he knew before he took off what he had on the plane? 

Oh yeah. 

So you think he had this plan before he took off? 

Yeah. It was probably like you have to do this. Yeah. It looked normal on the CCTV. He didn't look to be any different. Well maybe he found out when he was on the plane. You know what I mean? Maybe. And they really get under pressure.  But they could have put it on the plane and then have been like listen there's shit on this plane you need to get it to China and then he was like fudge…. this is not happening. My theory is that he did the noble thing. 

It's the most noble thing that he could think of. 

Yeah. in that moment, and that was, I'm gonna turn this plane around, I'm not gonna let this cargo get to where it's supposed to go. I'm opposing the government, and which I don't know anything about Malaysian government, so I don't even know if they're corrupt or whatever. 

But Google told me there was some corruption, but I also feel uneducated about it. 

Yeah, yeah. And he did the most humane thing to those people by the most humane thing, I mean, in quotation marks, by cutting off the oxygen, and just making them go to sleep. 

Yeah, he did have a couple of friends, I mean, I told you he had a couple of friends who threw him under the bus, they were like, he was banging the flight attendants. 

Not a very good friend.

But he also had some friends who said, “I think that when more information comes out, they're like, I can't explain what happened, but I do think that when more information comes out, we're gonna find out that he was a hero.”

I hope we do, cause the YouTube videos that he would post and things like that, he was so sweet and cute. There's no way this man was corrupt in my mind. 

From that three seconds of him being like, here's my YouTube video. What did he call it? 

He was like, “hey guys, here's my YouTube video for community service”. 

So Colleen thinks it was the heroic noble thing.

Yeah, how about your megan? . And then what about, are you still hypoxia or are you? 

I don't know you guys. I was pretty firm hypoxia coming into this. But the 22 minutes really throws everything off – unless like, he passed out or died or was somehow incapacitated and had just forced he throttle in a set direction causing the plane to circle?  I don’t even know if that is possible, I didn’t research that aspect.

The 22 minutes really throws everything off. And I guess I was thinking to, if he really is like trying to figure out how to handle this, this thing that just got sprung on him. 

I guess that kind of also makes sense. with like the wandering. Yeah. And his theories that he passed by the island that he was born at, for one last view. 

Yeah, it all kind of falls in. But I can see him being like, what am I going to do now?  But I also just want to believe that everyone just got a little bit high feeling and went to sleep and felt no pain. 

Oh, yeah. He definitely would have cut their oxygen sooner than later. We'll never know, I guess. 

But I imagine being, especially if he didn't have these ill intentions, can you imagine being the only living soul on a plane with like 300 people back there? Just like dead. So sad. This got real dark, guys. 

Yeah. Well, let us know what you think. 

Sorry, this was a heavy episode, not a lot of giggling. 

No, but it was intriguing. It was very intriguing. 

What is our poll, Kait?

I don't even know how we're going to do our voting. I think maybe do we do like- Hypoxia, malicious murder/suicide, heroic murder/suicide, hijackers. 

Maybe we could do an other catergory. 

Yeah. Write into us if you have a theory. OK, well, that's it for this week, guys. 

Yeah. Thanks for sticking with us for two weeks. We're going to post lots of photos, because I think that will make this absurdity even easier to understand when you see these tracks and everything.  There will definitely be lots of sources in the show notes.  So check us out online. Shop our Amazon affiliate links. Get some merch. What'd you say, Kait? 

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Right. And we will see you next Tuesday.