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Chemtrails: Are They Real?
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Have you ever seen a plane fly overhead before, leaving behind a condensation trail that seems to linger just a little too long? If so, you may have been exposed to chemical and biologic agents being released into the atmosphere, or so the conspiracists believe. The theory all started in the 1990s, after the United States Air Force published a report on weather modification. Americans started accusing the government of "spraying the US population with mysterious substances". These substances could be released for a number of reasons, including reduced life expectancy, weather modification, or mind control. Chemtrails are believed to be the visible plumes of smoke from aircraft that stay visible in the atmosphere for hours longer than usual contrails. Do we believe the government is trying to chemically control us? What truly is being released from the planes we see every day?
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SPEAKER_01Always a diet coke. Uh, all right, let's uh so we're drinking and we're chatting. What are we talking about today? This one's on me. We're talking about chemtrail. Chemtrail. All right, let me read my little summary here. Uh, have you ever seen a plane before? Sure have. Have you ever seen a plane fly overhead before? Sure have. Leaving behind a condensation trail that seems to linger just a little bit too long. What? If so, you may have been exposed to chemical and biological agents being released into the atmosphere. Or so the conspiracists believe. Oh. The theory all started back in the 1990s after the United States Air Force published a report on weather modification. Americans started accusing the government of spraying the US population with mysterious substances. Oh. These substances could be released for a number of reasons, including reduced life expectancy, weather modification, or mind control.
SPEAKER_02Mind control? We've never talked about this on this show before.
SPEAKER_01That's a first. Uh chemtrails specifically are believed to be the visible plumes of smoke from aircraft that stay in the atmosphere visible for hours, longer than usual contrails. Uh, do we believe the government is trying to chemically control us? What is truly being released by the planes we see every day? Oh. Immediately? Yes. But uh I also know a lot more. Alright, so let me explain what like normal contrails are. So contrails, different from chemtrails, are formed when water vapor and soot particles from burning jet fuel freeze into ice crystals, and then in low air humidity, the crystals just dissipate, and in higher humidity they persist, creating like a visible vapor. The theory here is that chemtrails are the ones that stay in for like hours upon hours, uh, in theory, exposing us for the entire time. Um, so that's and a lot of times people believe that And the contrails are short for condensation trails, right?
SPEAKER_02Yes, um and chemtrails are chemical condensation.
SPEAKER_01Right. So um, but also people believe that like contrails. She was a chemistry major. Sorry, uh chemtrails like are purposely they have the planes fly in ways that create like abnormal patterns in the sky and things like that. So we will be posting pictures of these images patterns that abnormal patterns in the sky, like to like um like crop circles, if you will. Oh, maybe a little bit, like checkerboards and things like that.
SPEAKER_02We're gonna do crop circles.
SPEAKER_01So yeah. Um, there was one particular guy, his name was William Thomas, who we got a friend named William. Shout out Willie T. He was one of the first to kind of spread and notice this phenomenon in the 1990s, um, after the US Air Force released a report discussing weather modification.
SPEAKER_03So what he just noticed, like they were re weird paths, like yes.
SPEAKER_01And he was noticing that they were staying in the environment like a lot longer than what usually happened prior, I guess. And then in coincidentally, the US Air Force released an air a report that kind of talked specifically about weather modification. So it's kind of a little bit like the government revealing a little bit for us to like but China used um weather.
SPEAKER_02Well, I mean, everyone has used people.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and there has been like different countries, like I'm gonna talk about England, for example, or you or the UK, for example, that did it as well. So there's a particular test that I'm gonna talk about. But yeah, so we it it does happen.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, what weather was it called weather alteration? Yes, yeah, modification. Modification.
SPEAKER_01Um, so Thomas specifically did do his own uh like tests on these. I don't know his background, but he did have access to aircraft, and so he personally would test these gel-like substances he would find on aircraft to kind of determine like what was in them and like what he thought we were being exposed to. And later on, his uh experiments were proven to have like large amounts of like bacteria and fungi that this is one way to prove that he was wrong. The I guess the fungi and bacteria are like normal, like naturally found because it was just like strep yeast and like pseudonomas or whatever. Yeah. So I don't know. We I don't know if we can trust Thomas or if he was just a little bit cuckoo.
SPEAKER_02But uh so he said the gel-like substances on the plate. He thought was creating contrails. Yes. Like or chemtrails. I'm sorry, chemtrails where it was just like staff and the yeast. Yes, which is just like normal found normal floral that's found on our body on our body. So he was wrong.
SPEAKER_01Um but other conspiracy theories kind of exploded since then, and one uh particular radio show host m kind of really fed into this uh conspiracy, and that was Art Bell, I guess. So since his or since there, I don't know if Art is a man or not. I think it was the DJ, yeah.
SPEAKER_03He uh DJ Art.
SPEAKER_01He kind of made this into bigger than it was situation.
SPEAKER_03It's always like one person who just like ruins it for everybody. He has to blow it up and make it absurd.
SPEAKER_01It became so blown up that it the government did have to release a response.
SPEAKER_03I love it when the government has to release a response. It's like the moon landing. Yeah, here we come with our memorandum.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, guys, we this isn't what it is. I promise you. I promise you, we're not chemically exposing you. Um, but are they? I don't know. So EPA, which is the Environmental Protection Agency, uh, and NASA each released reports in like the 2000s to dispel this series. Um, what those verbatims say, not too sure. However, in my opinion, was this just a cover-up, you know? Like, did they r release these responses to shut us up?
SPEAKER_03Oh, like like the moon landing. Yeah. Well, you know what my um my suggestion to the government is, because they need some help. Yeah. Um, maybe stop releasing like denials, and maybe it won't bring more attention to it and like explode the theory. Yeah, it's like be cool, you know? Just ignore the hate.
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SPEAKER_01Um, so there's other famous people that kind of were like a part of this conspiracy. There's a guy named Jim Mars who uh did or had allegations about chemtrails in like 2007. He did his own report uh that tested the air beneath the crosshatch of planes. Again, I'm not too sure how he had access to these planes, but um, and he claimed that the results of this experiment proved that there was an insane amount of barium in the barium samples. Barium? Barium. Three times the national limit. Okay. Come on, chemists.
SPEAKER_02Well, I mean that's what he's going on, barium?
SPEAKER_01That's that's what the results allegedly showed at first.
SPEAKER_02Is there a problem with barium? Like we give people barium swallow swallow test. I'm glad you that's there's a lot of proof against this constraincy. Barium, there are there's a thing called the barium swallow test that we use in medicine.
SPEAKER_01So I think this was kind of a fear tactic for Jim Mars because he was a news reporter, I guess. And so he was doing an experiment on his own and also creating like a news reel. So this might have been an earlier version of fake news. Um, because like barium is like naturally found and like not harmful.
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SPEAKER_01And then I guess uh the response showed that the equipment used for this experiment like uh vastly exaggerated the numbers. Yeah. So um the sample was bad, yeah. Um, then uh another kind of big aspect of this conspiracy, there was photographs released. I believe it was Delta Airlines that the photos were taken from, and it was a plane photographed with a bunch of barrels. Um, and I do have the picture of that to be released on uh social media.
SPEAKER_03Somebody not in the plane took a picture of this Delta.
SPEAKER_01Somebody in the plane took a picture of the barrels and released it to social media, and then Delta had to come up with a never put things in barrels to transport them.
SPEAKER_03But wait, I'm confused. Where did they see these barrels? Like underneath the plane?
SPEAKER_01In the plane.
SPEAKER_03Not in the passenger area.
SPEAKER_01So it was in the passenger area because Delta ended up coming up. So the theory was that these barrels were in the plane being used to release chemicals, and the barrels were full of chemicals. But Delta, and again, I'm gonna have to fact check what airline it was specifically, came out with a response saying that the barrels were only used to uh help estimate patient weight because it was a test flight. But like, what was in these barrels? Why did they have to use barrels for that?
SPEAKER_03I mean I will say that um I reached out to my dad, right? Captain Fred, who let's go, Fred, who spent much of his career flying for an airline that is not Delta.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_03And pretty much I was just like, What are your thoughts on chemtrails? And he was not really playing the game with me. He's like, That's stupid.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we'll we'll share the meme he responded to. He did.
SPEAKER_03He sent some good memes, but he was just no, yeah, it's stupid. He said um that first of all, he has never met a chemtrail loading employee. And has anyone in the history of chemtrails ever been identified as someone who was responsible for loading those barrels onto the photographic evidence of the barrel.
SPEAKER_02Barrels are used to transport things. They are just well, they that's how you make bourbon. Wine barrels, bourbon barrels, if you look at sand barrels.
SPEAKER_03Are sand barrels a thing?
SPEAKER_02I don't know.
SPEAKER_01I just can't go. Look at the picture.
SPEAKER_03Let's see.
SPEAKER_01They're like metal chemical barrels.
SPEAKER_02Those look like the barrels that uh Cersei used to blow up the red keep. So they're full of chemicals.
SPEAKER_03Wait, are they like the barrels that are they're metal barrel barrels that you put bodies in?
SPEAKER_01No, they're like they're they look like they're full of chemicals. We'll share the photo with you guys. Oh yeah. And then the airport or the air comp aircraft company, uh airlines company, just said that was it was only used to estimate weight. That seems weird to me.
SPEAKER_03That kind of makes sense. You need to know how your plane are there passengers on that plane?
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_03Okay. I mean, it makes sense that you gotta have some weight.
SPEAKER_02Well, then I thought you said a passenger took that picture.
SPEAKER_01Not a pat like an employee or something. Yeah, I mean it could be a test flight. I don't know. I just thought it was weird that it was barrels. I don't know, something about the barrels.
SPEAKER_02Um they are like steel or like suspicious. Something that is heavy. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So I'd have water in them for weight. Um so and then I have an example of other governments, and you mentioned China. I have uh the UK's tests um where they actually admitted to purposefully exposing their population using planes. So thank you. Yeah, uh-huh. That's what I thought. So in 1940 to 1970, Britain admitted to using biological warfare to test their own populations that like who were susceptible to certain illnesses. The monarchy strikes. You guys wait because we've done it here. I'm gonna tell you about it. So they claim they sprayed their population with germ-like substances that were technically not actually.
SPEAKER_03Not a germ, just a fake germ.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So that they wanted to see that they could expose people so that when they use this on their enemies, they would use the real stuff.
SPEAKER_02Okay. In China, they actually like did weather alteration? Is that the word of modification? Modification. Why do I keep saying alteration? I mean, I think you can also. In China, they use weather modification.
SPEAKER_03Fred called it cloud seeding. Yes. Yeah, that's a good idea. Cloud seeding is a thing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because um there was a there was the the Olympics in China. Yep. And they wanted to make sure that um it didn't rain and the re the weather would be perfect.
SPEAKER_03I thought they wanted snow for the skiing or something.
SPEAKER_02So they like they weather, they did weather modification and planted clouds up in the sky. Well, so um that's where this like weather modification came from because China had done it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Also.
SPEAKER_03But you know who else did it? England. The UK. Yeah. Tell us about it, Colleen.
SPEAKER_01So um, so they claimed that these were not dangerous substances, right? It was just a test, and they were targeting populations that were susceptible to illnesses baseline.
SPEAKER_02So we're talking So what substance was it?
SPEAKER_01Uh, I'll get to that. Okay. So we're talking elderly children or people with like chronic health conditions, specifically asthma, specifically respiratory issues. Um, so, and then as a result of this, several families in the decades after claimed to have had birth defects in their children, and that um like the government said this wasn't supposed to be dangerous, but there was proof that we've heard that before. Yes, yeah, there was proof that something happened. Um, and in order to use this, uh in order to spread the illnesses, they did use aircraft. And this is just how like we assume chemtrails work. They use the aircraft to spray the population uh unbeknownst to them. And I have a quote from it. It's called the fluorescent particle trials, and it revealed how much how between 1955 and 1963 specifically, planes through flew through the northeast England to the tip of Cornwalls along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulfide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadium sulfide, a generator was towed along a road where it was spewed for about an hour or so. So that's just how they did it and what they used. And then in response, years later, many families came forward after England had admitted to doing this, saying that they've had birth defects. One question.
SPEAKER_02Megan, do you have an inhaler? I do. You don't. Megan, do you have an inhaler? No. Because you got that asthma.
SPEAKER_01So, like, an example that they actually tried to expose people and allegedly claimed it wasn't dangerous, but it was kind of here's a kind of a side comment.
SPEAKER_03Governments, man. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Just taking advantage of their citizens.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I mean, here's kind of an against chemtrail thing.
SPEAKER_01I just feel like there's a lot against it.
SPEAKER_03Okay. Like, I just feel like that's not very controlled. Like, you're talking about it spewed miles. Yeah. Like, I feel like there would be like a more direct way to do this than to just be like, we're gonna fly how how high up is a plane? I don't know.
SPEAKER_02I mean, how's up thousands of feet up in the air and and then you just have to trust that gravity's gonna bring it down. Well, exactly where you want it.
SPEAKER_03There's no wind or weather or anything else.
SPEAKER_01Well, that's why they were using it as an experiment because they wanted to use this on their enemies. So why and then they were testing it on their own population? Like, I don't know.
SPEAKER_03There's just a lot going on again, uh the governments, yeah, people, but we're supposed to trust them blindly and explicitly.
SPEAKER_02They're always doing the best for their citizens.
SPEAKER_01I want to believe this because uh it does seem suspicious, but in my research for chemtrails, I found just so much uh against it. Yeah. Uh specifically from like very uh reputable like Harvard. Um, one big point against it was that to have this function, they would need this is a little bit like what Fred mentioned, a huge program that employed thousands of people. Right. And like how would they be able to keep that secret? I mean the CIA could do it. I mean, I guess. This people aren't supposed to talk about what they do in the CIA. Mention the CIA because I do have uh does anybody know Edward Snowden? Oh do we know Edward Snowden? I knew his name was important, but to be honest, I kind of forget what he he explained.
SPEAKER_02I'm actually really enjoying it.
SPEAKER_01There's a movie about him, right? Recently.
SPEAKER_02Yes. I mean, recently. He basically admitted that we they listened to us.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Oh, that's that guy.
SPEAKER_03The government's not listening to us. We don't have that technology. And he's like, uh JK, here's the proof. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So in that interview where he like released a bunch of stuff, he kind of made a statement about chemtraw specifically where he essentially told us that they're not a thing and he knows this because he had quote ridiculous access end quote to CIA military NSA papers. So he was like essentially would have been like, I would have known.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, if if Edward if Ed didn't know about it, it didn't happen.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02How has he not been off yet? That's what I'm saying. Yeah. He's a little full of himself. I wonder if he has something on the government.
SPEAKER_03Oh well no, isn't he living where is he living?
SPEAKER_02Russia.
SPEAKER_03Is he really living in Russia?
SPEAKER_01No, I have no idea. Oh he's living somewhere and like um just thinking like somewhere that America doesn't have problems with. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Somewhere we can't get to yeah he's hiding we're gonna fact check where he is shut he's in Russia up I was right he fled the US in 2013 and he's been living in Russia for the past decade. You're welcome. He received Russian citizenship last year.
SPEAKER_01Wow I was right his I made a huge assumption and I was right I was like why would why would he go to Russia?
SPEAKER_03But you're right like who who is the cooperate with China is what I my thought process. And it says this is from NPR that his family traces its role in national security to relatives who fought in the Revolutionary War. Wow so he was like a true American until he was like peace out I'm going to Russia.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Oh my gosh my mind is blown wow that makes sense though that's so scary they can't touch they can like but he has the technology for Russia to listen to us. Oh well but you make a good point he's a double agent then you know what I mean like of course he double crossed us because if he didn't we would have offed him uh so yeah Edwards I mean I kind of believe him um another aspect of why it's probably not real is because this phenomenon of like spreading things into the atmosphere is currently being studied by meteorologists. This is something they're constantly studying so they probably would have already picked up on chemicals in the atmosphere.
SPEAKER_03Also like also like oh yeah I think is it fuel a chemical yeah well that's what I think I think that all the things that are probably releasing from a plane are not good for us right we have um CO2 nitrous oxide sulfate you have like soot from the um engine exhaust so all of those like byproducts are are coming up by the plane and those are all harmful to our environment and you know could be unintentionally poisoning us maybe could be contributing to global warming if you believe global warming is a thing. Which I mean I do we do we do I was trying to be funny but I was like being like oh my gosh anyway um but like so I think that not to say there's not harm but I don't think the government is like intentionally yeah planting and that is interesting because like you said that although you know goes back into this whole I was gonna I was about to say one of my rebuttals you know the the public health military personnel do air analyses all the time and they will tell you like what the air is composed of. So I was gonna use it as a rebuttal until it occurred to me do we trust them?
SPEAKER_02Are they in all yeah you never know um yeah I also there's like a chemical reaction that takes place with a with a like an engine that releases water.
SPEAKER_01Yeah yeah that's CO2 and water the contrails.
SPEAKER_02Yeah and so yeah but I just I don't believe it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah I mean so my after doing all of this and reading how much was proving against it my theory is that like obviously planes are releasing things like obviously because it's fuel but I don't think it's anything like intentional. And like the mind control stuff to me those are just doomsday prepper level of like traumatized.
SPEAKER_02Yeah I mean I feel like there are bigger things that you could worry about than planes trying to poison you because that is not something that you can control at all. So say like re let's rebuttal and say that it's real. How are we gonna stop that?
SPEAKER_01Well I'm glad you asked one of the articles I read was I mean it wasn't like a research article it was like a guy who interviewed people who believe in it and uh they were farmers they were concerned the planes were releasing chemicals that would affect the produce they grow and over the next few years they plant to bring everything underground well like farm underground.
SPEAKER_02Hold on I'm about to blow your mind my hippie knowledge you know what's actually killing them the dirt no um the pesticides yeah the pesticides like glycop glycosphate which is also known as Roundup right which has now been outlawed by Americ by by the FDA yes glycosphate is actually that's where they think like all the gluten free allergies and everything are coming from is because glycosphate is a tox it's toxic it leads to cancer. So yeah they're not wrong they're just doing it themselves.
SPEAKER_03Yeah so well here is what I'm thinking um I think kind of like a lot of these these theories it comes from a small place of truth right so what I found I was mentioning the operation cumulus which was actually totally different from what you were describing and this was just weather modification which again specifically Captain Fred is like yes that's been happening forever it's not the same thing right weather modification uh it's like we're attempting to control the amount and type of precipitation and depend clouds. Yeah so depending on the temperature um like if it's really cold you can release uh some sort of salt like silver iodide potassium iodide um dry ice which is like solid CO2 um even some table salt and so they would drop these from the airplane and if you're somewhere really cold like it's negative 40 up there high up in the sky right so like if you're like 20 whatever it's cold then this will these salts crystallize and you get snowfall so I think what I read one of the Olympian Olympic maybe China was trying to do I think that makes sense and if it's warm then it just is going to humidify and you're gonna get rain and so it's people can do these experiments if you're trying to be like maybe we've had a drought let's see if we can modify the weather create rain. But England did this and they call in 1950 1952 there was a lot of weird England rules weird shit happening weird stuff happening in the 19th the 20th century right Colleen yes um the monarchy you mean guys we don't trust them but they um were trying I think they were trying to create um rain and so they were doing these experiments and they actually caused flash floods. Oh I did read about and led dozens of people to die oh wow floods and then again like all these other things we talk about that happened and they're like didn't happen didn't happen to happen like 2000 happens like okay we gotta fess up. Yeah something did happen back then. So in 2001 they declassified this and they were like yep it happened so you think about that that's one thing the other thing that I that was kind of like wow that's crazy I was reading about um in the Smithsonian magazine I think was the uh Operation Sea Spray. So it's not quite a I mean it's not a plane it was on a boat but if you hear it it sounds very much like what you were describing they were doing in England oh from the coast. So they're like in San Francisco and they were like okay we're in the 50s um they wanted to they wanted to test biologic warfare like you were describing they were doing in England. And so they chose to use this an actual bacteria Seracia um because it also like I think glows like you said. Yeah like turns right and they were like Sracea it's this benign bacteria oh my god so they they released it off a ship in the wind to like aimed toward San Francisco no and um bacteria they sprayed for six days on a ship two miles off the coast to see how susceptible like a large U.S. city would be to a bioweapon attack. Very oh I'm sorry this happened in California yeah in San Francisco they found that it quickly infested not only the city but the suburbs as well and a week after the test 11 residents checked into Stanford University Hospital with serracea UTIs one of them had just had like prostate surgery and so he ended up dying his racial but if you um and and so now people are like you know what this is your fault like you've changed our whole microbial ecology better pen introduces bacteria which I think I want to talk in another episode about um I'm not even talking about anything in this century but about um like vectic borne illnesses and other things that we that the government might have created in an attempt to suspicious research biological weapons. So my point is that I don't know I don't think that they are like um legitimately up there trying to to hurt us. But again it's hard to trust them what you're declassifying all these things and saying they happen declassifying I'm I'm just really confused because isn't any like bacterial infection like just not good.
SPEAKER_02Well just an overgrowth of a bacteria that's like natural like MRSA infections are just when you have an open cut and then the staph arius gets in and it just multiplies greater than what's supposed to be on your flora. But I just am saying like how could they like definitively say that this bacteria is not going to cause problems. You know yes I get what you're like just I feel like that's just like a dumb mistake.
SPEAKER_03Well rookie mistake well this was not the only test they did like this in the US they did these tests for two decades. Nixon who didn't do a lot of great things right yeah right wasn't he talking about but Nixon wasn't he impeached yes we can't add that he was he was impeached because he had the Watergate scandal yeah yeah so Nixon so Nixon one of the good things he did he did do um was he put an end to all research on germ warfare. So 1969 he's like we can't do this anymore but it was still top secret and no one talked about the two decades of studies that had happened until like the 70s when the government's like yeah it so he was just like don't do it anymore but also don't admit that you were doing it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah until later.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um I would also like to say that I did actually in my sources put the report from the EPA that I said I didn't have so we will share that. Um but it does essentially just go through factually bit by bit why chemtrails aren't real.
SPEAKER_02Yeah I was gonna yeah I was gonna say I have some like pretty good evidence that it is not real chemtrails are not real. The government and people have used chemtrails before like they are have they've sprayed they've used airplanes to spray pesticides on Vietnam yeah yeah the orange orange yeah yes they've done that and they have done um uh DEET remember DEET and DEET they've like sprayed DEET okay yeah and that like caused a lot of problems yeah and in all of those pictures of those airplanes that are doing that there is no gap between the airplane and the chemical and every single picture that is taken with like alleged chemtrails and airplanes there's a gap between the um exhaust and the chemtrail okay I see what you're saying and not adding up no so there is a space and time there's a like time period that it takes for like water to con condense and time to condense. So it's being spray so there's a chemical reaction that releases CO2 and water from like an engine and um so uh up in the atmosphere right it's less pressure okay so you have less pressure up in the atmosphere it's colder right and you have water coming water in a gaseous form coming out of a an engine. So yes it takes a certain amount of time for a chemical reaction to occur and then it creates condensation so that's why there's a gap.
SPEAKER_01That's why there's a gap whereas the planes spreading the pest like the chemicals they're they're just dumping them and that is what's happening.
SPEAKER_03I think you just proved that that is also the last thing I will share from um Captain Fred he said uh again cloud seeding does happen but it is certainly not done by commercial passenger aircraft or even standard military aircraft and when we talk about Agent Orange jungle defoliation during Vietnam this was done with specially equipped aircraft and manpower and there was no secret about it. Everyone was like we're doing this although it's not quite the same as being like we're doing that over our own country. Like secretly but um for sure if it's happening I just can't believe that Delta Airlines is throwing some chemicals out the back of their plane you know yeah I yeah and so and also the so there's an then there's like also like um rebuttal that says like there chemtrails stay longer than contrails.
SPEAKER_02Well I would like to say that it takes a different amount of time for ice to mount in different atmosphere no and it definitely it definitely says it depends on also like the time of day. And it also depends on how high so military there's actually meteorologists in the military that study how high in the atmosphere planes have to go but when they won't leave a contrail because they don't want enemy countries to know they're there. To know they're there. So they at they actually have studied where they have to be in the atmosphere where they don't leave um evidence to everyone else in the population that they were there.
SPEAKER_03So I'm a firm no on this one guys you guys is this the first one I think we're all a no on that we all agree on I think this is like a crack theory.
SPEAKER_01I'm just gonna bounce back and say that the picture of the barrels I just kind of assumed it was Delta.
SPEAKER_03I don't actually have proof of what airlines it was from I just want that you're saying that a a random photo with no citation appeared on the internet and that's our primary source it's a screenshot from a response from airlines but it doesn't have it does look like it's delta seeds though.
SPEAKER_01Oh okay but it doesn't have the like which airlines it is but they say the barrels were full of fluid to reflect fluid in bodies and how it like shifts.
SPEAKER_02I mean we are made I guess I don't know we are made of fluid water yeah lots of dihydrogen monoxide yeah but uh yeah I think we're all a no yeah I I wanted to believe this yeah I wanted to but I just again I just think that you guys there's certain things that you can control and there's certain things that you can't and you can't control what you're breathing in because you need oxygen no matter what. Yeah so if you want to believe in this go ahead and do it but don't stress yourself out about it please go outside it's good to it's your body yeah move your body it's good to breathe fresh air you know go to the woods but it's probably water yeah yeah we all need some more water in our lives right that's right okay well we'll uh we'll post a a poll on uh social media Kate what will our options be option a chemtrails are real in all caps option b and you're wrong as a meaning us yeah me and us were wrong and B um chemtrails are just contrails and we believe in sort of fancy name yeah we believe in science yeah science experiments are real science is cool yeah I love science all right that was a quick light one which was probably nice after the heavy yeah mind bender last week yeah um but yeah this was fun guys thanks for joining glad we could finally all agree on one yeah I know that's wild I don't think this is gonna happen for a while probably not yeah yeah if you have uh any conspiracies that you are very interested in or want us to hear about send us an email three scheme queens at gmail dot com we love the ideas yes and thanks for listening guys for joining us spoilheads when will we see them? Next week at on Tuesdays every Tuesday yeah see you then bye guys see you next Tuesday